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Boston Bombing Suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Apprehended Alive

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"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him." -Dostoevsky On twitter a lot of people are essentially saying "Good, now we'll get answers. " I'm sorry to say I don't believe there is typically anything satisfying about the answers of people who become deranged. Maybe this time, but if reading about madmen past is any guide, its very unlikely that we will be enligh…

On twitter a lot of people are essentially saying "Good, now we'll get answers." I'm sorry to say I don't believe there is typically anything satisfying about the answers of people who become deranged. Maybe this time, but if reading about madmen past is any guide, its very unlikely that we will be enlightened by any testimony.

Answer is really simple: in his own world /subculture he is a hero, a martyr and his name is being mentioned worldwide.

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"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him." -Dostoevsky On twitter a lot of people are essentially saying "Good, now we'll get answers. " I'm sorry to say I don't believe there is typically anything satisfying about the answers of people who become deranged. Maybe this time, but if reading about madmen past is any guide, its very unlikely that we will be enligh…

There's a lot of practical information to be obtained, though. What the elder brother was doing out of the country for 6 months, through what channels he became radicalized, whether they were co-conspirators or the younger was just along for the ride, did they act alone or were they funded/goaded on by extremest groups, etc.

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"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him." -Dostoevsky On twitter a lot of people are essentially saying "Good, now we'll get answers. " I'm sorry to say I don't believe there is typically anything satisfying about the answers of people who become deranged. Maybe this time, but if reading about madmen past is any guide, its very unlikely that we will be enligh…

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»We all have choices and free will [...]« is debatable. There are probably better times to do this but it is definitely debatable.

Isn't free will he flip side to determinism? I am able to generate truly random numbers which are completely non-deterministic by any number of methods (deck of cards, pick a number 0|1 over and over, muscle twitches, etc). Doesn't that imply that I have, at some basic level, free will?

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> The word is they are throwing out Miranda for this What does this mean?

There is a recent tweet claiming a "public safety exemption" will be used to bypass Miranda rights. That said, I'm not sure exactly what that means, either.

https://twitter.com/abc/status/325417178927083524

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How old is the maxim "the road to hell is paved with good intentions"? And yet how often do we ignore it? Much of the worst evil in history has been committed in service to a hypothetical greater good, or in retribution against very real wrongs. Germany had serious grievances in their treatment after WWI, for example. Communism, including Stalinism and Maoism, was a response against an extremely unjust social and eco…

Who are you talking to? Nobody justified anybodies work, not this terrorist, not the unabomber and not any other organized retribution in history. No commentary was made except that the unabombers manifesto was enlightening. That is all.

I'm not attacking you, relax, reread what I wrote, there's no attack there.

I'm saying that most of the time people who do bad things based on ideological grounds are "right" about certain things in some way. It's the norm more than the exception. Real bad guys often have significant and real grievances, but it's how people respond to grievances and wrongs against them that makes them bad or good.

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Who was it (which party)? I'm canadian too but haven't kept up with our local press.

Justin Trudeau, the Liberals just wrapped up their public internal vote thingy and he's the new leader. The Conservatives are trying to paint him as the dumb kid who's only in politics because of his dad. Soon after the bombing, before anybody identified the attackers, Trudeau discussed it in an interview with Peter Mansbridge. article: http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/04/17/trudeaus-response-to... Relevant quote: T…

sigh ... Harper.

Justin made some very valid and mature statements. I'll keep an eye on him. Thanks for the link.

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I can't help but feel like these brothers are also victims here. Of course, their victimhood is nothing like what they inflicted on the people of Boston and the marathoners, but they're victims nonetheless. Humans are glorified chemical reaction vessels; somehow, they ended up going down a path that led them here. Was there any alternative? Was it the education system? Social circumstances? I'm sure the magnitude of…

Yes, the increasing frequency of these homegrown attacks and school shootings should raise questions about our culture.

And explanation is not the same as moral justification.

I think compulsory public schools and undergraduate classroom-based colleges are very repressive against individuals, without fluid and free avenues for grievances to be aired and needs to be met. Sit up and shut up. The answer has been to use psychiatric drugs, punitive incarceration and behavior modification against individuals, rather than addressing broader social issues.

Partisan bickering between politicians about short-term reactionary policies sidetracks us. Gun control, enhanced interrogation, etc. -- those are not addressing the real underlying issues, and are just kicking the can further down the road until there's another attack.

I do not find it a coincidence that most of these young people accused of mass shootings or acts of terrorism, are current or recent members of our school system. I would absolutely explode and probably go to prison if I had to deal with today's zero-tolerance school systems.

There is something about mass public education which diminishes the individual, and makes small local corrections impossible because there are no outlets for grievance or ways to meet existential needs. As a result, anger, anxiety and depression build up in a person until s/he has no other outlet than to hurt others, no matter what the personal costs.

I find it very sad that media focus on whether suspects are members of certain "groups", or whether suspects have been labeled with pseudoscientific psychiatric labels, or whether their parents were "good" or "fit", when really, it's a much larger social context, and public institutions, which lead to the behavior.

A good book on this topic: http://www.amazon.com/dp/1595230769

The War on Kids: http://www.thewaronkids.com/

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Unlikely. He is very much against Islamic terrorism, and this is apparently just that case.

If someone who happens to be Christian carries out terrorism, is this Christian terrorism? Or do we have a special exception for Muslims who carry out terrorism, that their terrorism is Islamic terrorism?

It depends. If the act is clearly motivated by religion and directed at perceived enemies of the religion then it is plainly religious terrorism. If the religion of the perpetrator is clearly irrelevant (e.g. a political cause, and the terrorists and perpetrators are of the same religion) then it is plainly not religious terrorism. In between are grey areas that can be argued case by case.
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