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Dear Apple: I give up, WireframeApp will become open source

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Re: Dear Apple: I give up, WireframeApp will become open source

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Post by djt »

bennyg wrote: post #39
nanijoe wrote: post #36

To be honest, it seems these days like Apple is trying their best to reduce the number of [small] developers that publish to the App Store. I have been selling on the app store for close to 3 years, and in the last 6 months, pretty much every thing that somewhat levels the playing field has been taken away by Apple. The new releases list used to be every apps's chance to be visible for at least 24 - 48 hrs, and if en…

Fuck this mentality. What do we, as a collective community, say to the companies that can't mutate their business models because a player in the field has changed things up (for better or worse)? We tell them to change or die. Why is this any different? So what you can't depend on a "New Release" list anymore - do something else to get attention. That's basically a fundamental part of our creed, as hackers and as cre…

iOS is fundamentally a business, it's within their rights to do as they please. It makes sense to make the most profit and that probably means moving from small iDev businesses to large ones (ie SEGA etc) that are happy to spend a lot of money pushing their apps.

I agree with you though and I think the hackers will move elsewhere. Im excited to see if people move across to android etc for exactly this reason.

iOS will taper off eventually but Apple will milk every cent before that happens.

Re: Dear Apple: I give up, WireframeApp will become open source

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Post by rimantas »

capkutay wrote: post #97
eridius wrote: post #21

Why do you even need a DUNS number? If you're an individual person, just get an individual account and sell it that way. Honestly, this seems a bit like a publicity stunt to me. Everyone loves hating on Apple these days, and if you can tie it to "look at my new opensource project", then BAM, it hits HN front page.

Unfortunately I agree. It sounds like a frustrating process, but people LOVE to hate Apple these days. And Apple is letting it happen. When you stop innovating and creating things people love, you allow yourself to take jabs. Maintaining and monetizing the hell out of what you already have seems like a good idea on paper, but it doesn't seem to be working out so well for Apple at this point.

Like Apple makes no money, nobody buys its products, etc.? Can we stop this "innovation" bullshit? Do you even know what you want (gimmics don't count). What kind of innovation do you expect from Samsung in its next phone? From Google in next Nexus? Coffee maker and kitchen sink? Or do you want them radically changing UI, just because someone got bored? How often do you want them to innovate, once a month or once in three monts would be enough?

Re: Dear Apple: I give up, WireframeApp will become open source

#114

Post by lesterbuck »

eridius wrote: post #98
droithomme wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LLCs do not shield you from liability for your own actions, such as if you are the developer who made an error in code that damaged a customer. E&O insurance is what is really needed and is held by any professional company or individual selling software. LLC organization is not a way to avoid purchasing E&O insurance, contrary to the popular opinion on the internet. Those who don't believe me should seek the counsel…

I thought an LLC basically prevented someone from seizing your personal assets if they sue your company. They can only get the company's assets in a lawsuit.

It is a bit tricky on the liability shield for a corporation. If the entity (LLC/corporation/etc.) makes a bad investment, the creditors cannot come after your personal assets (assuming you haven't put up a personal guarantee). If one of your employees has an expensive accident while driving for you, exceeding your insurance, they can only take the assets of your entity. BUT if you are driving that company vehicle and hit the school bus, they can sue you personally for your personal mistakes, even though you were on company business.

Re: Dear Apple: I give up, WireframeApp will become open source

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Post by kybernetyk »

nanijoe wrote: post #58
cageface wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've said this many times here before but I'll say it again - the way to make money on the app store is to build apps on contract for other people. If building and selling your own products is your goal then there are other platforms and distribution channels that are much less hostile to the small indie dev.

Can you share what platforms / distribution channels you recommend?

Actually all platforms that have enough volume to support products with customer live time values above $.99. Otherwise you can't put meaningful money into customer acquisition.

Re: Dear Apple: I give up, WireframeApp will become open source

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Post by No1 »

droithomme wrote: post #95
hrabago wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are many benefits to being an LLC, and many reasons why one would want to publish as a company instead of as an individual. I have also read before (can't find it now, though) that there are people who give more credibility to applications when they are published by a company rather than an individual.

In the US a sole proprietorship is a business. A sole proprietorship is the most common form of business in the United States. Sole Proprietorships do not require LLC or C corporation filings. Often but not always they require a business license. If one does not have business partners and is running a software company, the sole proprietorship is the most sensible form. Note that LLCs do not protect the actual develop…

What you are describing sounds more like an LLP, not an LLC.

Re: Dear Apple: I give up, WireframeApp will become open source

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Post by k-mcgrady »

mikeash wrote: post #87
k-mcgrady wrote: post #10

The DUNS number is nothing to do with Apple, it's all handled by a separate company and something used internationally by many companies, not just Apple. 1. Why don't you just register as an individual and then convert the account to a company one once you get your DUNS number? 2. Why is it taking so longer to get the DUNS number? I registered my business with the government then applied for the DUNS number and got i…

The DUNS number has nothing to do with Apple, except for the critical fact that Apple requires one when they don't have to.

I presume it's the only way for them to tell if you have actually registered a company in your country.

Re: Dear Apple: I give up, WireframeApp will become open source

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Post by hfz »

socialist_coder wrote: post #17

Why not just team up with a publisher? They submit the app using their Apple ID, they help with marketing, reviews, etc. They get a cut of the profits, but it sounds like it would be worth it in your case.

Can you link to an example of these publishers? My Google-fu fails me.

Re: Dear Apple: I give up, WireframeApp will become open source

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Post by flyinRyan »

djt wrote: post #111
bennyg wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fuck this mentality. What do we, as a collective community, say to the companies that can't mutate their business models because a player in the field has changed things up (for better or worse)? We tell them to change or die. Why is this any different? So what you can't depend on a "New Release" list anymore - do something else to get attention. That's basically a fundamental part of our creed, as hackers and as cre…

iOS is fundamentally a business, it's within their rights to do as they please. It makes sense to make the most profit and that probably means moving from small iDev businesses to large ones (ie SEGA etc) that are happy to spend a lot of money pushing their apps. I agree with you though and I think the hackers will move elsewhere. Im excited to see if people move across to android etc for exactly this reason. iOS wil…

Why would a developer move to Android? Even today it's harder to get sales on Android. I would expect devs to move to the web or possibly make a bet on one of the other platforms.

Re: Dear Apple: I give up, WireframeApp will become open source

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Post by djt »

flyinRyan wrote: post #119
djt wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

iOS is fundamentally a business, it's within their rights to do as they please. It makes sense to make the most profit and that probably means moving from small iDev businesses to large ones (ie SEGA etc) that are happy to spend a lot of money pushing their apps. I agree with you though and I think the hackers will move elsewhere. Im excited to see if people move across to android etc for exactly this reason. iOS wil…

Why would a developer move to Android? Even today it's harder to get sales on Android. I would expect devs to move to the web or possibly make a bet on one of the other platforms.

I'm saying that eventually Android and other platforms will grow to match or exceed the spends of iOS customers.

If it were me doing it now, I would develop for iOS because thats where the money is at the moment. Having said that, you need to deal with the hoops that this developer is talking about. To my mind that is just part of doing business though.

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