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Leaded gas was a known poison the day it was invented (2016)

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Re: Leaded gas was a known poison the day it was invented (2016)

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Yeah it's actually better and it's not even close, provided that the cars make more than 50k km. Petrol engines have terrible efficiency and that's also what makes the petrol numbers so bad.

If "it's not even close" at 50k km, then surely the break even is much lower and you could've just said that?

That's because 50k km is pretty much nothing for a brand new car and if it breaks before that, it was badly designed to start with.

Re: Leaded gas was a known poison the day it was invented (2016)

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The major proponent was also known as Thomas Midgley Jr.: Accidentally The Most Dangerous Man Who Ever Lived[0] Leaded gas, CFCs, and accidentally created a machine that ended his own existence.[1] [0] https://allthatsinteresting.com/thomas-midgley-jr [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Midgley_Jr .

Also the subject of a very entertaining episode of Citation Needed.

Re: Leaded gas was a known poison the day it was invented (2016)

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> Midgley is complicit, but he's just a small piece. Midgley used to tour around “proving” the safety of leaded gas by pouring it on his hands. And had to be treated twice for lead poisoning. He was very much a culprit.

Are we going to measure things by who got most sick or by who got the most out of it? Because if Midgley gets sick and his boss who knows everything gets a million dollars, I will blame his boss more. For example Charles Kettering (essentially boss of Midgley) was Director of Research for 27 years at GM. Was large shareholder of GM. And he hired Robert Arthur Kehoe to prove that TEL is safe. And Kehoe did. The "proof…

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Re: Leaded gas was a known poison the day it was invented (2016)

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the amount of lead that is acceptable is ZERO ZERO, thirty years ago when there was definitive proof is it forever and irreversible all lead exhaust aircraft should have been phased out a decade ago if not two decades ago if they cannot be converted again, there is no acceptable amount, imagine it being sprayed on you, your car, everywhere your body tries to process it like calcium and stores it forever how much dama…

You say that like it is a fact. The acceptable amount of lead is non-zero, just like the acceptable level of deaths are non-zero. The amount of lead I am willing to expose my family to so that prop planes can keep flying is also non-zero. That doesnt mean progress cant be made on the issue.

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Re: Leaded gas was a known poison the day it was invented (2016)

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We've known about climate change for more than a century, but we're pigs, we don't care.

I think it’s important not to use the “we” word here. 1) Many people know and care. 2) some people lie for profit 3) other people are willfully ignorant and allow the liars keep at it because it’s more convenient. And even among those who know and care there’s different amounts people are willing to do about it. I imagine you (who theoretically know and care) still drive, fly, use plastic, Eat foods grown with petrol…

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Re: Leaded gas was a known poison the day it was invented (2016)

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I guess some forms of asbestos are fine to use in residential development.. as long as houses never burn or get damaged in earthquakes or suffer flood damage or need extensive renovations.. and as long as we do not care about some unimportant landscapes and river systems in (ideally, canada or russia or something of the sort) and all of its current and future inhabitants.

Even then, it's overblown. The fibers embedded in the cement siding that was common for a while as an example, that's just never going to be friable to a degree that matters. Not to mention the issue is really more of a long term exposure thing. You'd need to be quite an unlucky person to take one whiff of some asbestos fibers and get mesothelioma decades later.

It's perfectly safe to sit in a room full of asbestos insulation like it is to sit in front of any computer from the 90s (leaded solder) but it's still good to ban asbestos just like it was probably good to switch to RoHS solder.

Re: Leaded gas was a known poison the day it was invented (2016)

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The major proponent was also known as Thomas Midgley Jr.: Accidentally The Most Dangerous Man Who Ever Lived[0] Leaded gas, CFCs, and accidentally created a machine that ended his own existence.[1] [0] https://allthatsinteresting.com/thomas-midgley-jr [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Midgley_Jr .

I was in Dayton Ohio to see the Wright brothers stuff. There were sidewalk plaques for inventors and celebrities who lived in the city, and they had one for Thomas Midgley Jr. I was shocked!

Fun fact: during their time Dayton had the most patents per capita of anywhere in the US.

Re: Leaded gas was a known poison the day it was invented (2016)

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We've known about climate change for more than a century, but we're pigs, we don't care.

I think it’s important not to use the “we” word here. 1) Many people know and care. 2) some people lie for profit 3) other people are willfully ignorant and allow the liars keep at it because it’s more convenient. And even among those who know and care there’s different amounts people are willing to do about it. I imagine you (who theoretically know and care) still drive, fly, use plastic, Eat foods grown with petrol…

"We" live in a democracy and our leaders are chosen by "us". You don't get to pick and choose. You are your government assuming you're from any western democracy.

The planet is becoming inhospitable for humans and honestly likely for the best. At least some folks will get rich out of it.

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