Sadly, I'm still in Apple's target market, because Lenovo is unable to put reasonable displays in their 14" laptops.
IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market
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Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
>> The issue is that many Apple fanboys ... This is where I stopped reading... It seems to be all the rage to write up anecdotal frustrations full of hyperbole about Apple these days, that's fine, but why do they have to be on Hacker News? Why should I care some guy on the internet doesn't want a computer that isn't user serviceable, or a tablet that uses a curated app store that contains 'literally thousands upon th…
The thing is, I am OS agnostic and never built a Linux distro on my life. Yes, I even have Mac OS X systems available to me. Maybe you should also stop stereotyping whoever hurts your Mac fan feelings.
>> Maybe you should also stop stereotyping whoever hurts your Mac fan feelings.
Just cut the emotional crap, it appears to impair your ability to see the point I'm trying to make.
I've been using Linux and OS X alongside each other for over a decade, and many other *nix derivatives at work. I just pick the right tool for the right job, and more often than not, a Mac running OS X turns out to be the choice that offers the best tradeoffs, and allows me to do whatever I should or want to be doing with the lowest level of frustration. My HTPC/home server isn't running OS X, and neither does the VM I use to cross-compile packages for embedded systems. What does that say about Macs and OS X? Nothing.
That said, the problem I have with articles like this hitting Hacker News is not because I can't stand the idea some people have different ideas about what a computer is to them and how it should work. I couldn't care less. The problem is that the information content of these dime-a-dozen run-of-the-mill Apple rants is close to zero. I simply don't understand their purpose, do I have to stop using Macs because some guy on the internet prefers to use something different for whatever reason that doesn't affect me, or almost anyone else who uses their computer as a tool to get shit done?
Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
The issue is that many Apple fanboys never experienced the original Apple, the one with proprietary connectors and Mac OS specific APIs for video, 2D, 3D, networking .... When Apple tried to cater to the open source community using the UNIX underpinnings of Mac OS X, young generations thought Apple was always more open than Microsoft, when actually they were the opposite. Now that they are back on top with more profi…
>> The issue is that many Apple fanboys ... This is where I stopped reading... It seems to be all the rage to write up anecdotal frustrations full of hyperbole about Apple these days, that's fine, but why do they have to be on Hacker News? Why should I care some guy on the internet doesn't want a computer that isn't user serviceable, or a tablet that uses a curated app store that contains 'literally thousands upon th…
"Why should I care some guy on the internet"
you shouldn't. And what you probably should also not do, is first write stuff like this and then do the opposite namely caring about it anyway (even though you seem to claim you don't) and then express that by posting your feelings about it on HN.
"The information content of this article is close to zero, nothing more than some random rant"
strrep( 'article', 'post' ); //The pot, the kettle, yadayada.
Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market
#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
>> The issue is that many Apple fanboys ... This is where I stopped reading... It seems to be all the rage to write up anecdotal frustrations full of hyperbole about Apple these days, that's fine, but why do they have to be on Hacker News? Why should I care some guy on the internet doesn't want a computer that isn't user serviceable, or a tablet that uses a curated app store that contains 'literally thousands upon th…
It seems to be all the rage to write up anecdotal frustrations full of hyperbole about Apple these days, that's fine, but why do they have to be on Hacker News? You mean, as opposed to all the news praising every minor thing Apple does and banning all articles critical of Apple, which historically has always been the way things was here on HN? I think it's about time the tide changed, and it's probably a good reality…
What does that even mean? Is HN supposed to be a medium for the preservation of some kind of philosophical balance of power between operating systems and hardware vendors? Shame on me for thinking it was a medium to report on technology and the startup scene all along :-/
It's really sad to see how every.single.time community driven websites devolve into ideological crusades between people who can't seem to just accept different people have different preferences when it comes to computers (I'm being polite here). There's a meme in here somewhere, maybe I should try to coin it.
Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market
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For now. All the apps out there are still signed with Apple's cert.
I regularly encounter applications that are not signed. It's easy to circumvent Gatekeeper (right click, then choose open). But I can imagine that this is quite confusing for the average end user. For them, it is already turning into a walled garden.
Any user who doesn't know what Gatekeeper's purpose is (and how to disable it) probably stand to benefit from keeping it on. I imagine these people are the ones most at risk for downloading malware.
People who don't want/like the walled garden can disable it trivially from the settings. For people like my mom, who clicks on any ad/link/attachment without a second thought, this will save a ton of headaches.
Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market
#116This emotion in this blog is in a lot of ways revealing about Apple. The writer sounds hurt. I don't think Microsoft would have attracted this kind of response.
For me, I tend to look at changes in terms of their effect on the ecosystem as whole. From that perspective, I'm very glad that Apple exist, as they are.
I like that Apple is fanatically adherent to its ideologies. Taking things to extremes is also a good way of discovering principles and the uncovering the costs of compromises. In any case, I think
An ipad is extremely simple. The pool of people who can become completely comfortable with it in a few days is larger then for any other computer. It's metaphors are tidiest. An iOS app is a more clearly defined concept, for example, then it is on Android.
A fanatic trying to prove that a simple life on $500 per person per month is the ideal way of living probably isn't right, but she is useful to have in your life. She will probably make all sorts of discoveries that will enhance your life, even if you don't buy her entire ideology. In your life you will be making all sorts of compromises. These have tradeoffs. Inevitably you will be wrong about the pros & cons of some choices.
Maybe glued together hardware is not worth the tradeoff. Maybe it is. Maybe it is sometimes. Now we get to find out.
At the end of 2012, things look better than they did 1 year ago from this perspective. We have several viable operating systems from three very different companies. It seems likely & possible that new entrants will appear if those three don't cover all needs.
Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market
#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
For now. All the apps out there are still signed with Apple's cert.
I regularly encounter applications that are not signed. It's easy to circumvent Gatekeeper (right click, then choose open). But I can imagine that this is quite confusing for the average end user. For them, it is already turning into a walled garden.
But the point is if the user really can't accomplish that task are they in a suitable position to judge the safety of installing the software? I know there may be cases when even such a user has a good reason to trust something but I'm sure there will be cases when people are saved by this (or at least attempts to exploit people in this way may be deterred.
Much of the unsigned software is perfectly useful valid stuff, much of it safe, much of it open source but that action to run downloaded code puts a lot of trust in the developer and the source. Even run as a non-root user it can still do things that cause real problems including steal confidential information.
Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market
#118What's weird is that this has been a running argument for almost the entire existence of Apple. Here's the thing though -- Apple hasn't changed. They are simply closer to their goals then ever. I'm not saying it's right. But computer as an appliance? That's the dream! In the 80s we would argue on Usenet that the WIMP interface was too simplistic, and that real computer users stuck to the command line only. Now, in 20…
The issue is that many Apple fanboys never experienced the original Apple, the one with proprietary connectors and Mac OS specific APIs for video, 2D, 3D, networking .... When Apple tried to cater to the open source community using the UNIX underpinnings of Mac OS X, young generations thought Apple was always more open than Microsoft, when actually they were the opposite. Now that they are back on top with more profi…
Oh yes... i remember the old Apple Display Connectors.
Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
Agreed. The Maps fiasco is a great illustration of how Apple have an institutional blind spot around the complexity of doing online, data-driven services right - and won't invest (despite $120bn in the bank) properly to deliver these. This is the single biggest thing that relegates them to "just a consumer electronics" firm - and as we know, CE firms are lucky to have 10 years on top. The other interesting data point…
This is the single biggest thing that relegates them to "just a consumer electronics" firm - and as we know, CE firms are lucky to have 10 years on top. Yeah this is the thing exactly. Amazon and Google are essentially content plays in mobile. Devices can come and go but as long as people are using their services they're making money. Apple is a hardware play and that gave them a big first-mover advantage but unless…
I'm not sold on the long term benefit to subscription models. A well curated library has much more appeal to me than an all you can eat buffet. I have recently seen this with Netflix great service but the content I would miss the most is the kid shows that my daughter watches. The tv and movies I look forward to watching with her are not on there so in one form or snouty I curate a library that I only have to pay for once.
Same for magazines and book. I keep a few subscriptions but mainly consume the content once. When I find a good book, one I will read again I put it on my library shelf and come back to it later. Subscriptions for media lock me into a singe channel if I ever want to go back. And like Netflix, who has to negotiate with the content providers for their content, with subscriptions there is no guarantee the 5-10% of quality content I like will be there when I come back.
Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
The thing is, I am OS agnostic and never built a Linux distro on my life. Yes, I even have Mac OS X systems available to me. Maybe you should also stop stereotyping whoever hurts your Mac fan feelings.
>> Maybe you should also stop stereotyping whoever hurts your Mac fan feelings. Just cut the emotional crap, it appears to impair your ability to see the point I'm trying to make. I've been using Linux and OS X alongside each other for over a decade, and many other *nix derivatives at work. I just pick the right tool for the right job, and more often than not, a Mac running OS X turns out to be the choice that offers…
The issue here is that recent releases of OSX have sucked more than some earlier releases of OSX, and it's annoying some people.
The hardware is now even more locked down than ever.
These are facts.
Does it mean you have to stop using a mac? No.
Does it mean that some people are moving away from macs? Yes.
Does it mean you need to rage because there's an article that mentions 'fan boys'? Not really. Chill out.
If you have any cognant and articulate arguments why this guys opinion (which I happen to currently share) is a stupid opinion to have, by all means, I'm interested...