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Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Post by pjmlp »

w0utert wrote: post #92
pjmlp wrote: post #67

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The issue is that many Apple fanboys never experienced the original Apple, the one with proprietary connectors and Mac OS specific APIs for video, 2D, 3D, networking .... When Apple tried to cater to the open source community using the UNIX underpinnings of Mac OS X, young generations thought Apple was always more open than Microsoft, when actually they were the opposite. Now that they are back on top with more profi…

>> The issue is that many Apple fanboys ... This is where I stopped reading... It seems to be all the rage to write up anecdotal frustrations full of hyperbole about Apple these days, that's fine, but why do they have to be on Hacker News? Why should I care some guy on the internet doesn't want a computer that isn't user serviceable, or a tablet that uses a curated app store that contains 'literally thousands upon th…

The thing is, I am OS agnostic and never built a Linux distro on my life.

Yes, I even have Mac OS X systems available to me.

Maybe you should also stop stereotyping whoever hurts your Mac fan feelings.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Post by pjmlp »

Tyrannosaurs wrote: post #81
pjmlp wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue is that many Apple fanboys never experienced the original Apple, the one with proprietary connectors and Mac OS specific APIs for video, 2D, 3D, networking .... When Apple tried to cater to the open source community using the UNIX underpinnings of Mac OS X, young generations thought Apple was always more open than Microsoft, when actually they were the opposite. Now that they are back on top with more profi…

How is this an issue with Apple fanboys? They're not the one's complaining about Apple. Surely it's an issue with the people who tend to be Open Source advocates, complaining that Apple are no longer open? Not that it's really an issue at all, it's just different strokes for different folks. With computers doing as much as they do now it's seems highly unlikely that a single company will ever fulfil all our computing…

> Surely it's an issue with the people who tend to be Open Source advocates, complaining that Apple are no longer open?

The thing is that Apple was never open.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Post by vilgax »

jarek wrote: post #76
mdonahoe wrote: post #36

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I haven't used Ubuntu in two years. Is it true that there are now ads in it? Edit: I am referring to this http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/09/22/1319216/ubuntu-will-n... I haven't seen them first hand, but I was hoping someone might give their opinion here.

I clean-installed Ubuntu 12.10 last weekend. Out of the box it has an Amazon icon in the side 'dock', I removed it and don't remember what it does. Searching with the 'dash' search box does bring up results from Amazon. The alt-f2 run box, while looking the same as the search box except for saying "run a command" instead of "search", does not perform the Amazon searches. Personally I wouldn't really consider it obtru…

Well that's what I like about Linux, I can make it to work for me (not how any distro or company want me to use it).

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Post by coob »

lmm wrote: post #96
coob wrote: post #83

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> Mac OS specific APIs for video, 2D, 3D, networking .... Which other platforms had/have non platform specific APIs for 2D and video?

X11 is crossplatform (not just to unix - my VMS box runs it)

X11 is a platform.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Post by aidos »

Tyrannosaurs wrote: post #81
pjmlp wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue is that many Apple fanboys never experienced the original Apple, the one with proprietary connectors and Mac OS specific APIs for video, 2D, 3D, networking .... When Apple tried to cater to the open source community using the UNIX underpinnings of Mac OS X, young generations thought Apple was always more open than Microsoft, when actually they were the opposite. Now that they are back on top with more profi…

How is this an issue with Apple fanboys? They're not the one's complaining about Apple. Surely it's an issue with the people who tend to be Open Source advocates, complaining that Apple are no longer open? Not that it's really an issue at all, it's just different strokes for different folks. With computers doing as much as they do now it's seems highly unlikely that a single company will ever fulfil all our computing…

If you take 'Apple fanboys' to be the group who came to Apple in the early 2000s (I was amongst them) I think the parent is probably right.

I fought the fights and put up with the greif for being the only developer with a Mac out of the 50 in the office. I lived on the bleeding edge - even paying for access to early unstable OS builds. I watched the OS get better and better with each release.

It opened the doors to the world of Unix for me and I thought it was wonderful having all these amazing tools at my fingertips, thanks to Apple. I got the wrong end of the stick.

This whole article feels bang on the money to me, and I'll bet the reason it's at the top of HN is that there are plenty of us in the same boat.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

#106

Post by SquareWheel »

BenoitEssiambre wrote: post #91

I wish to concur the statement that Ubuntu is now the fastest most user friendly modern OS out there. Try it you might be surprised.

Has much changed in two years? Every once in a while I hear Linux is finally user friendly, and I go try it and my multiple monitors don't work and my graphics card drivers require manual installation and I get constantly riddled with permissions prompts which I'm sure is necessary but still annoys me as an end user.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Post by antidoh »

nostromo wrote: post #44

The ironic ending of the blog post is interesting. He's running Ubuntu... on a MacBook Pro. Even if you hate the software and all things iOS, it's hard to find a better designed laptop.

He's using a Macbook because he already has one. He's not going to buy another one.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Post by josteink »

w0utert wrote: post #92
pjmlp wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue is that many Apple fanboys never experienced the original Apple, the one with proprietary connectors and Mac OS specific APIs for video, 2D, 3D, networking .... When Apple tried to cater to the open source community using the UNIX underpinnings of Mac OS X, young generations thought Apple was always more open than Microsoft, when actually they were the opposite. Now that they are back on top with more profi…

>> The issue is that many Apple fanboys ... This is where I stopped reading... It seems to be all the rage to write up anecdotal frustrations full of hyperbole about Apple these days, that's fine, but why do they have to be on Hacker News? Why should I care some guy on the internet doesn't want a computer that isn't user serviceable, or a tablet that uses a curated app store that contains 'literally thousands upon th…

It seems to be all the rage to write up anecdotal frustrations full of hyperbole about Apple these days, that's fine, but why do they have to be on Hacker News?

You mean, as opposed to all the news praising every minor thing Apple does and banning all articles critical of Apple, which historically has always been the way things was here on HN?

I think it's about time the tide changed, and it's probably a good reality check to the people stuck in the valley still believing that Apple "defines" the market.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

#109

Post by jusben1369 »

psionski wrote: post #77
jarek wrote: post #71

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> To all of those complaining about the new Apple devices, this is what you should do. You should vote with your wallet. But then how will people know I have Taste?

The thing that's been keeping me from buying an Apple device is being associated with their users. This "better than you" attitude is something I just can't stand, it's repulsive. Instead of being ashamed that they wasted $3000 on a computer they could have had for $500 (and could have donated the other $2500), they feel smug about it? WTF!

I'm not sure HN does humour well. I suspect that was a little tongue in cheek.

Re: IRecognition: I am no longer Apple's Target Market

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Post by [deleted] »

psionski wrote: post #77
jarek wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> To all of those complaining about the new Apple devices, this is what you should do. You should vote with your wallet. But then how will people know I have Taste?

The thing that's been keeping me from buying an Apple device is being associated with their users. This "better than you" attitude is something I just can't stand, it's repulsive. Instead of being ashamed that they wasted $3000 on a computer they could have had for $500 (and could have donated the other $2500), they feel smug about it? WTF!

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