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Re: EFF letter to FTC on X consent order [pdf]

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The article link appropriately disqualifies itself of not being partisan by the fact of the article explicitly having links to share it on multiple semi-dead platforms but not X. X, which they left with arguments about "reach" which don't pass half a smell test. Hope EFF digs itself out of the mud it finds itself in today in the future.

> The article link appropriately disqualifies itself of not being partisan Where does EFF call itself non-partisan, and how is that relevant to Twitter's/X's violations of privacy? Definitions of partisan include [1]: > An adherent to a party or faction. > A fervent, sometimes militant, supporter or proponent of a party, cause, faction, person, or idea. By the second definition and arguably by the first as well, EFF…

Lots of words to say nothing. Obviously the original mission statement of EFF has been bipartisan, turning against Musk and by that turning a lot more anti-freedom of speech and anti-liberty has soiled their image.

Them continuing on such extremely partisan platforms like Truth Social for the left (BlueSky) just makes them unsupportable. Which is something I'd thought I'd never say, but that's the world we live in. Where champions of justice get attacked, and censorious hate mills get even officially boosted.

Just read your own arguments. X bad because it fires a team they'd never needed to have as a social media company just to stay afloat, especially as it was proven that those firings were tacitly necessary for the platform to survive?

>"previously" fought off censorship demands

This just proves you're either uninformed or lying on purpose. The furor with which Musk pushed Brazil and De Moraes to not censor people on X was awe-inspiring. Something the old Twitter never managed to do in such scale.

Re: EFF letter to FTC on X consent order [pdf]

#112
post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the opposite. I’m being acute. You are vaguely (I suspect deliberately vaguely) referring to “CSAM generation“, I’m pointing out the specific issue of generating images of children wearing bathing suits (children wearing bathing suits has historically not been considered CSAM) and giving references to prove it. “we all know musk’s character” is not an argument, in fact, it’s a textbook example of https://www.logi…

Look. OP said he couldn’t remember something so I provided some links to jog his memory. There is no shortage of examples of musk being a shithead for anyone who cares. I am not going to litigate every detail in these articles because that’s not the point of this thread but for SOME REASON you feel obligated to jump to an oligarch’s defense and I am not going to waste any more time on you. I mean really, what can I s…

I provided specifics and you said I was being obtuse.

> There is no shortage of examples of musk being a shithead

People doing things you personally don’t agree with doesn’t make them evil.

> I am not going to litigate every detail in these articles because that’s not the point of this thread

You were caught lying about a serious matter of course you feel bad. You made an accusation of someone distributing CSAM but they provably did no such thing, and worst of all you did that because you disagree with their politics.

> I am not going to waste any more time on you.

Yes because you’re ashamed and want to cower. It’s not nice to lose in public.

> So weird and gross.

Rather than call other people weird and gross when you’re exposed like this why don’t you seriously consider how you’re spending your life?

I’d write a more detailed response about exactly what I think of your character but Dan is going to show up and I’d like to follow the rules.

Re: EFF letter to FTC on X consent order [pdf]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whatever you think about X's image generation models, I don't see how it is related to the petition that the EFF is opposing. Is generation of non-consensual imagery really a privacy issue? If someone publishes a real naked photo of you, that was acquired without your consent, that would be a privacy issue. If someone generates a naked photo of you, even if it looks identical to a real photo, it's not your private da…

In an ideal world, generated non-consensual imagery should be illegal through invasion of privacy through misappropriation of name or likeness, but I think only a limited number of states have those laws.

In an ideal world, defamation should not be illegal through invasion of specifically privacy. Because that shields perpetrators from clean-room defamations, which is wrong.

I guess I live in such an ideal world? Defamation don't require proofs of breach of privacy where I am, only damages. I've heard that this setup is not universal.

Re: EFF letter to FTC on X consent order [pdf]

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post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The article link appropriately disqualifies itself of not being partisan Where does EFF call itself non-partisan, and how is that relevant to Twitter's/X's violations of privacy? Definitions of partisan include [1]: > An adherent to a party or faction. > A fervent, sometimes militant, supporter or proponent of a party, cause, faction, person, or idea. By the second definition and arguably by the first as well, EFF…

Lots of words to say nothing. Obviously the original mission statement of EFF has been bipartisan, turning against Musk and by that turning a lot more anti-freedom of speech and anti-liberty has soiled their image. Them continuing on such extremely partisan platforms like Truth Social for the left (BlueSky) just makes them unsupportable. Which is something I'd thought I'd never say, but that's the world we live in. W…

> Them continuing on such extremely partisan platforms like Truth Social for the left (BlueSky)

Especially but not exclusively due to the fact that whatever "censorship" Bluesky imposes can be avoided with different clients in most cases and different PDSs in worst cases, I'm not going to pretend that Bluesky and Truth Social are anywhere near the same in terms of speech diversity [1] (aside: nor will I pretend that X has more speech diversity than Bluesky). (In the context of this post and thread, I use "censorship" to mean a company's own moderation and censorship to mean speech restrictions backed by government coercion/threats.)

> X bad because it fires a team they'd never needed to have as a social media company just to stay afloat, especially as it was proven that those firings were tacitly necessary for the platform to survive?

By "proven" "tacitly necessary", I assume you mean proven in hindsight, to which I disagree. You're arguing that after Musk bought the company it had to fire its anti-censorship team [2] to "fix" its money situation ($13 billion debt that banks ended up reselling instead of collecting from Twitter/Musk), even though before Musk bought the company it could have continued on with its anti-censorship team for years without losing $13 billion. You're also arguing that post-buyout Twitter is better because sometimes getting revenue may matter more than fighting censorship (which I don't necessarily disagree with), while pre-buyout Twitter was foolish for more heavily prioritizing fighting censorship over getting revenue. (Aside: Musk launched a frivolous lawsuit against advertisers that was bad for both getting revenue and fighting censorship [3].)

> The furor with which Musk pushed Brazil and De Moraes to not censor people on X was awe-inspiring. Something the old Twitter never managed to do in such scale.

Holding the record for most government censorship demands resisted in one incident, does not make up for overall acquiescing more often to censorship demands [4] or for reducing the company's ability to resist censorship demands [2].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_Social#Censorship_allega...

[2] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/11/twitters-monetizable-u...

[3] https://www.techdirt.com/2026/03/27/turns-out-that-advertise...

[4] https://restofworld.org/2023/elon-musk-twitter-government-or...

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