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Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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I'm expecting a ban of "foreign" llms due to "safety concerns" before the year is over. It will have nothing to do with the actual performance. But anthropic has set the bar for mythos-like systems, and whatever meets that loosely defined bar will be unsafe for the public.

How would that work in practice?

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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post #110

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The gap between grok and Gemini to Claude and chatgpt suggests that yes it is that hard.

All of the 11 grok co-founders alongside Elon quit: https://techcrunch.com/2026/03/28/elon-musks-last-co-founder... so that will have hampered grok. Like Zuckerberg, top talent may not work with a polarising character if they disagree with his behaviour. Space focused talent don't have many choices aside from SpaceX but ai companies are a plenty and a top AI person can pick and choose.

The fact that you need top talent also suggests that it is indeed that hard

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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post #102

My cinic take is, if the model is decent it would be hard to disprove their claim of it being Mythos-like, since now Mythos is unavailable.

What is Mythos like? Asking as someone who never had access to it.

It’s got to be similar to Fable, which I experienced for 3 days, and which impressed me (compared to Opus 3.8)

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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post #111

I'm expecting a ban of "foreign" llms due to "safety concerns" before the year is over. It will have nothing to do with the actual performance. But anthropic has set the bar for mythos-like systems, and whatever meets that loosely defined bar will be unsafe for the public.

How would that work in practice?

All American services won't be allowed to provide the models. Huggingface for example. The same way BYDs are illegal in the US.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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post #41

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Did Anthropic give you third-party benchmarks? Is that what you said to them? Yes, they're important, but the attitude is wrong.

Anthropic always publishes 3p benchmarks every time they announce a new model

No, stop right there. Anything published by Anthropic implicitly is not third party. For it to be third party, the third party has to be the one publishing it.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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Fugu Ultra [0] is not actually a model, it's a system (harness in the cloud?) that routes to several models, looks like it's a bit like OpenRouters Fusion [1].

  "Rather than a single monolithic model, Fugu is a learned multi-agent orchestration system: a language model trained to route tasks across a swappable pool of underlying models and to recursively call instances of itself." - https://openrouter.ai/sakana/fugu-ultra

[0] https://sakana.ai/fugu/ [1] https://openrouter.ai/openrouter/fusion

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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post #101

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Has either of these companies released models before this? It's hard to believe that they could release a supposed Mythos-level model just out-of-the-blue. Deepseek, Z.ai, Alibaba/Qwen have been at this for a lot longer and have been releasing models with steadily increasing capabilities for about 18 months now. I find it hard to believe that these new companies would just suddenly release a Mythos-level model withou…

How do we define "mythos level" exactly outside of marketing buzz? I don't even think the majority of us can access Mythos yet even to make a comparison.

There's benchmarks on their page that directly compare to Mythos. Yes, I already know benchmarks aren't the territory.

Re: Asian AI startups launch Mythos-like models

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post #70

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The gap between grok and Gemini to Claude and chatgpt suggests that yes it is that hard.

I suspect that Grok has been ironically lobotomized by pressures to correct its political views. Similarly, I could imagine the Gemini folks working in a significantly more complex corporate climate, with different parts of Google pushing for different capability focuses. They are only lagging behind less than a year, so it isn't too large of a gap yet. That said, the fact that Anthropic is currently the top dog sugg…

> A year ago none of my normie friends new them, and when i suggested using Claude looked at me like when I recommend Linux.

Isn’t that still the case? Normies haven’t even heard about Claude, in my experience.

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