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We can still stop California's 3D printer surveillance scheme

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Re: We can still stop California's 3D printer surveillance scheme

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Post by wolvoleo »

NegativeK wrote: post #110
wolvoleo wrote: post #91

I'm glad I don't live in California (or America in general) but this is such BS. I don't think we will have much of this in Europe because guns are pretty rare here and so is ammo. We just don't really have gun problems except with organised criminals but they don't 3D print them, they just buy them. But anyway, 3D printing isn't rocket science. It never was and it sure isn't now. Anyone can build one in their garage…

It was partially completed lowers before this, and general machine tools before that. I support gun control. This feels like theater, not gun control.

Oh yeah I support gun control too, obviously. But more like a total ban (I don't even support sports shooting since many of the massacres we have seen were perpetrated with guns from that community).

In America the problem is really more that people can just buy guns, not the printers.

Re: We can still stop California's 3D printer surveillance scheme

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Post by paradoxyl »

gdiamos wrote: post #85

My kindergartner has a 3D printer. I got a call from the school principal. She said “another parent called and said your son 3D printed a gun and brought it to school”. I looked at the print history. It was a tiny toy mandalorian figurine holding a blaster pistol in his hand. I bought my son a bigger 3D printer and told him to stop playing with that boy.

If you have the resources, you could also serve her with papers. IANAL, but that arguably is libel, defamation, harassment and so incredibly insane that it deserves a severe legal smackdown.

Re: We can still stop California's 3D printer surveillance scheme

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Post by derwiki »

paradoxyl wrote: post #112
gdiamos wrote: post #85

My kindergartner has a 3D printer. I got a call from the school principal. She said “another parent called and said your son 3D printed a gun and brought it to school”. I looked at the print history. It was a tiny toy mandalorian figurine holding a blaster pistol in his hand. I bought my son a bigger 3D printer and told him to stop playing with that boy.

If you have the resources, you could also serve her with papers. IANAL, but that arguably is libel, defamation, harassment and so incredibly insane that it deserves a severe legal smackdown.

Not sure I’d want to rope my kindergartener into something like that? I like GP’s approach

Re: We can still stop California's 3D printer surveillance scheme

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Post by derwiki »

trinsic2 wrote: post #87
asveikau wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I know about legislators (I am a longtime SF resident but I am also a DC native and have known some congressional staff over the years), it is pretty rare that informed constituents write to them in a cogent and authentic voice about specific legislation, and they do pay attention to this. Calls may work even more. It won't work all the time and how much they do will depend on the issue and why they are sup…

Alright, you won me over. I emailed my congressman from the EFF website with my own message. That's the best I can do right now. I just feel like politics is a losing battle. If its taken over by special interests and there doesn't seem like there is any end in sight, as it gets easier and easier for them to sway the people that are actually suppose to be working for us. What is the point? When we are combating legis…

I emailed my representative as well!

Re: We can still stop California's 3D printer surveillance scheme

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Post by derwiki »

DropkickM16 wrote: post #89
narrator wrote: post #36

We're bombing Iran to suppress technology form the 40s. We're suppressing advanced AI. We're suppressing 3d printer technology. Then there are the encryption wars. Control of advanced technology, not just weapons, is a larger and larger battle every year. When the robots get here, you'll need the governments ok to do anything at all with a robot. Mark Andreessen's comments that government regulators told him that the…

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The masses have no idea who Andreessen is.

Re: We can still stop California's 3D printer surveillance scheme

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Post by derwiki »

Ancapistani wrote: post #102
xbar wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unlike the downvoters, I'm genuinely curious: do you believe a narrative that the US has no gun control laws? Sometimes I wonder if that is what people outside the US think.

It’s what approximately half of US voters think.

I think that half thinks gun laws are for the bad guys, and they’re the good guy with the gun

Re: We can still stop California's 3D printer surveillance scheme

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Post by greenavocado »

paradoxyl wrote: post #112
gdiamos wrote: post #85

My kindergartner has a 3D printer. I got a call from the school principal. She said “another parent called and said your son 3D printed a gun and brought it to school”. I looked at the print history. It was a tiny toy mandalorian figurine holding a blaster pistol in his hand. I bought my son a bigger 3D printer and told him to stop playing with that boy.

If you have the resources, you could also serve her with papers. IANAL, but that arguably is libel, defamation, harassment and so incredibly insane that it deserves a severe legal smackdown.

Judge will throw it out unless you're well connected. They'll say the case has "no standing" unless you shell out massive amounts of money.

Re: We can still stop California's 3D printer surveillance scheme

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Post by greenavocado »

gorgoiler wrote: post #103
SoftTalker wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you suppose all those rules and policies came to be?

The rules are well intentioned. The policies stem from not standing up to bullies. In my experience: 1/ Some top-level authority writes down a rule saying “as of 2021, it is forbidden to have red pencils”. 2/ The authority might prosecute one or two cases, but most enforcement is largely farmed out to certification bodies: the lawyers, auditors, inspectors of this world. 3/ No auditor or auditee ever wants to be the…

This guy works in compliance!

Re: We can still stop California's 3D printer surveillance scheme

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Post by narrator »

DropkickM16 wrote: post #89
narrator wrote: post #36

We're bombing Iran to suppress technology form the 40s. We're suppressing advanced AI. We're suppressing 3d printer technology. Then there are the encryption wars. Control of advanced technology, not just weapons, is a larger and larger battle every year. When the robots get here, you'll need the governments ok to do anything at all with a robot. Mark Andreessen's comments that government regulators told him that the…

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Yeah, and then all those wild eyed assassins will get the reward of being sent out to the countryside to do hard labor, just like the Red Guards, who were also a bunch of radicalized blood-thirsty teenagers sent to tear down society, got after they were used to get Mao back into power. Enjoy eating stale rice and picking weeds all day while singing patriotic songs as your only form of entertainment.

Re: We can still stop California's 3D printer surveillance scheme

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Post by johnisgood »

SoftTalker wrote: post #96
gorgoiler wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good for you. Over-enforcement absolutely needs to be penalized. One of my biggest weaknesses is refusing to let people get away with the kind of lazy thinking you encountered. Hands up if you’ve ever been told you can’t do something because of potential SOC2 audit non-compliance. Or it’s against GDPR. Or legal won’t allow it. Or it’s against IT security policy. Or just against “policy”.

Why do you suppose all those rules and policies came to be?

Oh brings me to the good pre-CoC era when we did not need to have explicit rules and a simple rule "don't be an asshole" worked just fine. :D You might say that it is too broad, but now with the CoC you have many more broad rules. :P
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