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HPV vaccine cuts risk of dying from cervical cancer before 30

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Re: HPV vaccine cuts risk of dying from cervical cancer before 30

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Post by Supermancho »

rationalist wrote: post #71
Supermancho wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> UK during the COVID-19 pandemic of 2021, when public health campaigns urged people to "get the jab." Asked and answered, ty. The term was popularized the US during the pandemic as well. It seemed like it was used by conservative media in the US to try to further politicize vaccination as something being inflicted on them.

I got the covid vaccine (Pfizer) and I still get other vaccines, but it was 100% "inflicted" on everyone (especially with the Federal government requiring civil servants to get it). To believe otherwise is to succumb to the politicalization of it (from everyone other than the conservative media). The rush job was sketchy, which is why I went with the established brand when I volunteered with CERT at our vaccination P…

> Yes, the person I responded to asked, and yes, I was the only person who answered. You're welcome?

I don't think you understand what's happening. I accepted that I lacked the proper context. You want to keep arguing about related details.

> Edit: and the politicalization of it continues... sigh

You felt the need to politicize it by intentionally phrasing that it was "inflicted" to get an optional vaccination because there were consequence to opting out. This is not adding to the discussion, so here you are. Hope this helps.

Re: HPV vaccine cuts risk of dying from cervical cancer before 30

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Post by londons_explore »

Avshalom wrote: post #35
blcknight wrote: post #19

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For some reason not really talked about in mainstream medicine for straight men. It makes no sense. Very safe vaccine and you're eligible into your 40's to get it. Everyone sexually active probably has some strains but not all.

the reason is no one realized hpv was connected to much more than cervical cancer until fairly recently.

I think we will eventually discover that almost all cancers are caused by viruses, and future healthcare will be all about how to stop the spread of viruses where vaccines don't work well.

Re: HPV vaccine cuts risk of dying from cervical cancer before 30

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Post by Ardren »

dennis_jeeves2 wrote: post #99
apothegm wrote: post #2

From what risk level without them? How many people actually die of cervical cancer before age 30?? I mean, vaccinations and cancer prevention are both great, but this headline is ridiculous.

>From what risk level without them? How many people actually die of cervical cancer before age 30?? They will downplay that number or exaggerate it.

They?

I had no idea HN had so many cookers.

Re: HPV vaccine cuts risk of dying from cervical cancer before 30

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Post by apparent »

mullingitover wrote: post #108
naturalmovement wrote: post #76

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> Maybe he's raising his daughter in a culture that doesn't celebrate hedonism and massive numbers of casual sexual partners, effectively reducing the risk of HPV-induced cervical cancer to near-zero, no magic potion needed. This is like saying "We don't need fire alarms (and all the risks involved with installing them) because we're responsible people, not reckless morons who go playing with matches in their home."…

I don't think fire alarms is the right analogy. More like an Amish person getting antivirus software for their nonexistent computer.

Re: HPV vaccine cuts risk of dying from cervical cancer before 30

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Post by apparent »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #89
naturalmovement wrote: post #88

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Are you a divorced dad dipping your wick left and right or did you get it merely for the sake of doing so? The reason insurance does not pay for it at that age is because it makes no sense.

Married ~20 years and ethically non monogamous. My partner and I date women together and solo. ~$1k to protect other people is cheap and is looked upon favorably by potential partners (I am able to provide vaccination and most recent STI test results on demand when asked). Even if you’re monogamous, life is long and divorce common. I walk through cheap optionality doors whenever possible, and recommend others do to.…

I thought it was not effective if you had previously been exposed. Did you make it into your 40s as a non monogamous person without any exposure?

Re: HPV vaccine cuts risk of dying from cervical cancer before 30

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Post by qsera »

bluedevil2k wrote: post #75
nikolay wrote: post #40

My oldest daughter almost died from the first Gardasil, so you may not die from cervical cancer, but die from something else. I am not against vaccines; my kids are all fully vaccinated on a spaced-out schedule and not taking more than one shot in at least 2 months, and so am I, but the HPV vaccine was not mandatory, so, given the experience and the similar genetics, we didn't do it for the other two kids. Yeah, ther…

> my kids are all fully vaccinated on a spaced-out schedule and not taking more than one shot in at least 2 months Why? At what point did you say “I know a better vaccine schedule than highly trained specialist doctors who have done decades of research on hundreds of thousand of children”? You don’t find this incredibly naive to think you know better than them?

I have seen a "highly trained specialist" declare that a baby can easily accommodate thousands of vaccines a day (advocating for the then existing vaccine schedule), because the immune system encounter that many pathogens per day!

I hope I don't have to explain the fallacy in that to the crowd here.

Re: HPV vaccine cuts risk of dying from cervical cancer before 30

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Post by mullingitover »

apparent wrote: post #114
mullingitover wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Maybe he's raising his daughter in a culture that doesn't celebrate hedonism and massive numbers of casual sexual partners, effectively reducing the risk of HPV-induced cervical cancer to near-zero, no magic potion needed. This is like saying "We don't need fire alarms (and all the risks involved with installing them) because we're responsible people, not reckless morons who go playing with matches in their home."…

I don't think fire alarms is the right analogy. More like an Amish person getting antivirus software for their nonexistent computer.

That's a broken analogy because everyone has the 'computer,' which in this situation is cells which are capable of being infected.

Re: HPV vaccine cuts risk of dying from cervical cancer before 30

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Post by naturalmovement »

mullingitover wrote: post #108
naturalmovement wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> Maybe he's raising his daughter in a culture that doesn't celebrate hedonism and massive numbers of casual sexual partners, effectively reducing the risk of HPV-induced cervical cancer to near-zero, no magic potion needed. This is like saying "We don't need fire alarms (and all the risks involved with installing them) because we're responsible people, not reckless morons who go playing with matches in their home."…

> This is like saying "We don't need fire alarms

You might want to let Europe know about your fire alarm analogy because the whole of Eastern and Southern Europe including Spain and Italy as well as Iceland have no requirement for smoke detectors in residences.

The justification is their superior brick and plaster construction makes them unnecessary compared to American and Australian matchstick and drywall construction.

Re: HPV vaccine cuts risk of dying from cervical cancer before 30

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Post by [deleted] »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #6
apothegm wrote: post #2

From what risk level without them? How many people actually die of cervical cancer before age 30?? I mean, vaccinations and cancer prevention are both great, but this headline is ridiculous.

> From what risk level without them? “Approximately 0.6 percent of women will be diagnosed with cervical cancer at some point during their lifetime, based on 2021–2023 data” [1]. Given “reports of serious health issues after HPV vaccination were consistently rare—around 1.8 per 100,000 HPV vaccine doses, or 0.0018%” [2], a woman suffers a 300x higher hazard (assuming we measure a serious vaccine reaction as being equ…

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Re: HPV vaccine cuts risk of dying from cervical cancer before 30

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Post by mullingitover »

naturalmovement wrote: post #118
mullingitover wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Maybe he's raising his daughter in a culture that doesn't celebrate hedonism and massive numbers of casual sexual partners, effectively reducing the risk of HPV-induced cervical cancer to near-zero, no magic potion needed. This is like saying "We don't need fire alarms (and all the risks involved with installing them) because we're responsible people, not reckless morons who go playing with matches in their home."…

> This is like saying "We don't need fire alarms You might want to let Europe know about your fire alarm analogy because the whole of Eastern and Southern Europe including Spain and Italy as well as Iceland have no requirement for smoke detectors in residences. The justification is their superior brick and plaster construction makes them unnecessary compared to American and Australian matchstick and drywall construct…

This is interesting but not relevant to the discussion at hand, thanks for the info though!
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