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Re: Notes on DeepSeek

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any evidence to back that up?

Back what exactly? That China subsided it's domestic companies? https://www.oecd.org/en/publications/subsidies-and-the-solar... https://www.oecd.org/content/dam/oecd/en/publications/report...

Now do Elon

Re: Notes on DeepSeek

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Not sure what I read, but sounded like a lunch meeting description; felt void of actual information, with the restaurant replaced by the office. I am in China and can tell it is either Kimi, DeepSeek or Claude (proxied or actually deepseek/fake). The bigger push for the general public died down a lot since last year; kids were pushed to use AI for homework, now it is disallowed and frowned upon. In short mixed messag…

> kids were pushed to use AI for homework, now it is disallowed and frowned upon. In short mixed messaging. in the early 2000s in california universities you'd get marked down for citing wikipedia. so the good souls told everyone "see the number in brackets[2] after what you're trying to cite the article for? just click that then click the archive.org or whatever link there, then cite that ." Now? i think wiki is con…

I had to re-read that twice, some how my eyes slipped over this part: I thought you were saying "in the early 2000s in California schools you'd get marked down". Which yeah of course, lazy kids would copy-paste Wikipedia (with the formatting sometimes, lol) but you have to teach them that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a source, and yeah looking at the citations in brackets is what you should do.

But no you were talking about universities... The concept of citing Wikipedia in university is wild x)

Re: Notes on DeepSeek

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I think Wikipedia's still considered unreliable, but the question that should be asked is whether the author even read the source in "the number in brackets" to ensure that it's even backed properly. Just like how people should use AI for research, I guess.

When i comment that i've researched using AI this way, it short circuits the brain of the listener/viewer and suddenly my sources aren't valid. a bing or google or wiki search to get the primary or secondary sources are okay, but if i use chat.deepseek.com instead, suddenly it isn't okay.

LLMs routinely hallucinate sources. I guess that's why some people feel that way.

Re: Notes on DeepSeek

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thanks. this really isnt that long, might as well paste in full here since OP deleted. Notes on DeepSeek: We visited the company HQ last Tuesday. It was founded in 2023 by Liang Wenfeng and operated out of his hedge fund, High-Flyer, until somewhat recently. The company released their R1 model in January 2025, so it was interesting to see what they’ve been doing The company is located in an unmarked, 12-story buildin…

I think treating it as just a technology is right. Though there are a lot of things I like about Anthropic, what I don't like is how they scare themselves and hype up how dangerously powerful their models are. It feels so disingenuous even if they seem to actually believe it. I also don't like how easily manipulated they are. For instance, they should have seen through Persona. They shouldn't have touched Persona wit…

I do kind of agree, but at the same time, if a company is not on the cutting edge (the post says they're happy to remain 6 months behind, whether true or not), then it is just technology at that point. Any damage has already been done. Anthropic on the other hand takes the blame if something goes wrong.

Re: Notes on DeepSeek

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From the notes, they seem humble and empathic. We're lucky to have China imposing competiton to the western AI megacorps. If it wasn't for China, I would probably have to spend $100/mo on AI instead of $10 like I do currently while using DeepSeek and MiMo (opencode Go plan). And while I could do so comfortably, I feel for those who can't. It must feel incredibly isolating to only watch others have access to expensive…

Ollama cloud is also a fantastic deal. They also don’t have a monthly limit, just session and weekly.

Re: Notes on DeepSeek

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post #41

Post appears to have been removed, I caught a copy of it: https://pastebin.com/rcAqEFG1 I assume it will get reposted at some point.

thanks. this really isnt that long, might as well paste in full here since OP deleted. Notes on DeepSeek: We visited the company HQ last Tuesday. It was founded in 2023 by Liang Wenfeng and operated out of his hedge fund, High-Flyer, until somewhat recently. The company released their R1 model in January 2025, so it was interesting to see what they’ve been doing The company is located in an unmarked, 12-story buildin…

I've read that old article already when their R1 came out.

Re: Notes on DeepSeek

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"As a whole, China seems to treat AI as just another technology, rather than as some kind of singularity moment." This is a refreshing perspective.

I may have some explaination.

China is an atheist country. The whole "creation" thing didn't even mean anything special to normal Chinese people.

Chinese viewer have a meh reaction to Edward Scissorhands, they don't have a Frankenstein Complex.

Re: Notes on DeepSeek

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post #101

Sorry you had to remove this post. As far as I can tell it did not say anything that is not already in the public domain. The story of DeepSeek is incredibly inspirational: The founder being a phd in computer science, completely bootstrapping his AI efforts by doing quantitative trading, and even as they reached the frontier in the hottest subfield being more open than any other lab about what they were doing. In gen…

AllenAi seems to the most open lab to me, sharing not just models and even training data, but also the training code and methodologies. https://allenai.org/olmo

It is not on the “frontier” in any meaningful way.
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