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Re: Italy's Bending Spoons, owner of AOL and Vimeo, files for Nasdaq IPO

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Post by kepano »

aquariusDue wrote: post #109
kepano wrote: post #107

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> the chance of a paid plugin marketplace might signal a shift in the community Where the heck are you getting this from? We are explicitly not doing this.

My bad! I've mixed up some parts from this official blog post[0] and some talk in the community. I thought the "What does it mean for a plugin to be Paid or have Optional Payments?" part from the FAQ was hinting towards the chance for people to sell plugins on https://community.obsidian.md/ and Obsidian itself would facilitate the transaction for a small cut at some point in the future. I'm glad that's not the case a…

I really don't understand how one could come to that conclusion. The blog post states that "Obsidian Community is not a store". I wrote that so that the community explicitly knows we are not going in that direction.

The new labels are meant to indicate which plugins have payments, since many plugins connect to paid services. There is no intention for Obsidian to ever become a middleman.

Re: Italy's Bending Spoons, owner of AOL and Vimeo, files for Nasdaq IPO

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Post by criddell »

kepano wrote: post #106
criddell wrote: post #105

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Like Evernote, they keep adding more and more features and functionality to the core product. The original idea of it being a great notes application over a directory of markdown files (and attachments) was simple and brilliant. I think they jumped the shark with the canvas feature. They had to add a non-markdown file to the directory system and signaled that they were okay moving on from the original idea. Obsidian…

(context: I help make Obsidian) Canvas can be disabled in Core Plugins, like most other features. In general I mostly see the opposite criticism: that Obsidian out of the box is too barebones and that it requires plugins to be useful. I tend to be more on your side though. I prefer Obsidian to be as streamlined as possible and hate bloat. Last year I asked the community "what should we remove from the app?" And I mos…

I appreciate the response and am glad to hear that my less-is-more preference isn't dismissed.

It's been a while so I went through my plugins settings. About half of the core plugins are enabled and I've never enabled community plugins.

The responses to your post on x are pretty disheartening. So many zero-effort replies along with gems like "make it simple like Notion".

Re: Italy's Bending Spoons, owner of AOL and Vimeo, files for Nasdaq IPO

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Post by aquariusDue »

kepano wrote: post #111
aquariusDue wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My bad! I've mixed up some parts from this official blog post[0] and some talk in the community. I thought the "What does it mean for a plugin to be Paid or have Optional Payments?" part from the FAQ was hinting towards the chance for people to sell plugins on https://community.obsidian.md/ and Obsidian itself would facilitate the transaction for a small cut at some point in the future. I'm glad that's not the case a…

I really don't understand how one could come to that conclusion. The blog post states that "Obsidian Community is not a store". I wrote that so that the community explicitly knows we are not going in that direction. The new labels are meant to indicate which plugins have payments, since many plugins connect to paid services. There is no intention for Obsidian to ever become a middleman.

Yeah, that's on me. Thanks for clearing this up. I hope my previous comment didn't come across as doubling down on my mistake!

Now after our interaction I don't worry that much that Obsidian is closed source, it's clear that it's in the right hands.

Also I want to say that I hope JSON Canvas catches on, initially I was worried that the Canvas feature would lead to a "soft lockdown" but it isn't the case and I've found out about it recently. Thank you for the work that went into it!

Re: Italy's Bending Spoons, owner of AOL and Vimeo, files for Nasdaq IPO

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Post by drob518 »

jonfromsf wrote: post #87
drob518 wrote: post #77

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Yep, but now they’re jacking the pricing to the moon and everyone is starting to leave for other apps. I almost did it this year and probably will do it next year.

I left last month. $250 a year or something crazy like that. Obsidian has a free web clipper, I'm planning on using that since I was just bookmarking stuff.

Exactly. I’m trying out Obsidian this year. In Bending Spoon’s defense, they have been improving the app, particularly the sync, but I don’t care about many of the new features (e.g., AI stuff).

Re: Italy's Bending Spoons, owner of AOL and Vimeo, files for Nasdaq IPO

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Post by burnte »

LearnYouALisp wrote: post #99
burnte wrote: post #86

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That is both an excellent question and the root problem at that company. The PE firm was a majority shareholder, drive the board, and there were two board members who were HEAVILY involved in the company. Too heavily, they kept making decisions about them and not the company, and that's why I left. Several months later the PE firm was tired if waiting for results, fired those two board members and sold their share of…

> The PE firm ah, can stop there

Lots are bad, some aren't.

Re: Italy's Bending Spoons, owner of AOL and Vimeo, files for Nasdaq IPO

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Post by doubleg72 »

greazy wrote: post #95
burnte wrote: post #62

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> It turns out a lot of corporate IT has no idea how to switch vendors in case a product they use gets acquired by a company with this business model. This always shocks me. I moved a company off of Salesforce in 45 days without a big issue. Day 1 was a bit slower but by day 2 folks were back at full speed. I've pulled off EMR migrations, ERP, accounting, etc. Moving is scary but doable. Sometimes the execs will just…

What is your ERM of choices? Opinion on EPIC?

I just worked on an Epic rollout that went live last week.

Re: Italy's Bending Spoons, owner of AOL and Vimeo, files for Nasdaq IPO

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Post by adw »

moralestapia wrote: post #10

It's still a big mystery to me how they were able to pull billion-dollar acquisitions while being one or two orders of magnitude lower in revenue. >inb4 leverage Yeah, I know leverage exists but still, you cannot go to a bank and ask them to help you acquire something 100x worth your cap.

> you cannot go to a bank and ask them to help you acquire something 100x worth your cap.

you literally can, it's the entire point of eg management buyouts

Re: Italy's Bending Spoons, owner of AOL and Vimeo, files for Nasdaq IPO

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Post by stasomatic »

burnte wrote: post #83
fakedang wrote: post #66

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Curious what did you move them into from SF? SF is usually treated as this infallible perfect piece of software by non-tech folks, especially those looking to pad their resumes.

SF has worked very hard to cultivate that reputation, and at the end of the day they're mostly an overpriced application host. Once you communicate to the stakeholders that what they have in SF is just another application, and not actually "special", the conversations become a lot easier to have. They feel like Salesforce has them over a barrel at renewal time and helping them understand they CAN move makes a lot of…

>Another was using SF as a ticket system. Those folks we moved >to FreshService. $180k down to $15k/yr.

When does this end? Next year, there will be "ReFreshService" at $1K/year, so migrate again, re-train again? There is a lot be said about stability and continuity, wouldn't you say? I have no dog in the hunt, SF-wise, I've used it like 3 times in 20 years. If it continues to exist because if its predatory tactics (I've no idea) that's a different narrative.

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