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The seed oil panic is hurting my cardiac patients

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Re: The seed oil panic is hurting my cardiac patients

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup. Anything someone disagrees with is now "written by ai" as if that invalidates what was written.

i agree with the premise of the article. i also wish the author had cared enough about such an important topic to actually write about it themselves. doing otherwise disrespects the reader

That’s begging the question by assuming it was wasn’t written by themselves.

Re: The seed oil panic is hurting my cardiac patients

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post #17

This has a lot of ai-isms, wish they would share the pre-rewrite draft at this point.

It seems human written with certain paragraphs that stood out to me.

It felt like they had an ai pad for wordcount, but there was definitely organic content in there (at least from my taste)

Re: The seed oil panic is hurting my cardiac patients

#113

Fish, tree nuts, avocados and olive oil. Avoid butter, red meat and cheese. It’ll save your life.

I’d rather be dead than not eat butter, red meat, and cheese. But yeah don’t cook your vegetables in animal fat, that’s stupid.

Honestly, all this you must 100% do x is tiresome. Just use moderation and you'll be fine.

Re: The seed oil panic is hurting my cardiac patients

#114

Fish, tree nuts, avocados and olive oil. Avoid butter, red meat and cheese. It’ll save your life.

I’d rather be dead than not eat butter, red meat, and cheese. But yeah don’t cook your vegetables in animal fat, that’s stupid.

You’re under 50 and haven’t seen the results of a stroke. There are states worse than death.

Re: The seed oil panic is hurting my cardiac patients

#115
post #79

> First, “seed oils” is a marketing term, not a nutritional category. "Seed oils" (commonly used cooking oils extracted from plant seeds excluding coconut) are as valid of a construct as "reptiles" (quadrupeds excluding aves and mammals) or "fish" (vertebrates excluding quadrupeds)

Cladisticaly aren't all mammals a type of bony fish?

Yes. We are cladistically more related to a goldfish than it is to a shark.

Re: The seed oil panic is hurting my cardiac patients

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Seed oils tend to cause severe inflammation in my body like most other ultra-processed foods. This is more than conjecture, due to existing health conditions, I keep a very strict diet with a food journal. I was excluding them long before RFK Jr. came around with the MAHA stuff. Yet another thing thats been politicized I guess.

That could be a valid observation for n=1. There could be any number of reasons seed oils cause inflammation for you but do not the general populace, or not at numbers large enough to offset recommending them as a general rule. The politicization is coming directly from the Trump administration, as the article states - making spurious claims and eliding the science that backs up the contrary conclusions. Did you have…

I wouldn't pose it as anything more than n=1. I'm more empathizing with those being caught up in the politicization who may have more nuanced reasons they are being impacted beyond what the media puts out.

> The politicization is coming directly from the Trump administration, as the article states - making spurious claims and eliding the science that backs up the contrary conclusions. Did you have some other idea of how this is being politicized?

I read this a couple of times, but I'm still not really understanding the question. I directly attributed the politicization to RFK Jr. and the MAHA movement. So I'm not sure why you're asking if I had other ideas.

Re: The seed oil panic is hurting my cardiac patients

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post #71

Seed oils probably aren't ideal, but I also worry how much this narrative is distracting from the bigger problem of sugar consumption. Humans only have so much attention and discipline. It would be a shame to focus all that energy on a "no seed oil" diet only to wind up even more unhealthy. How many products with seed oil also contain some form of added sugar? I don't seem to have much issue with moderating the occas…

Yep. If there was one single thing that literally every person should do for their health, that is to greatly reduce or completely eliminate sugar. The evidence is overwhelming.

The evidence against seed oils is not quite as convincing. I see seed oils as a low quality food to be avoided - goes rancid too easily, requires chemical processing, etc. - but it's not strictly poison. These oils are in virtually every industrial "food product" which makes them unhealthy by association. Stop eating highly processed crap and you'll see the benefits - cutting out seed oils is a side effect.

Re: The seed oil panic is hurting my cardiac patients

#119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two things can be harmful at once. I am curious which is worse in terms of contribution to modern chronic metabolic disease. In the case of ultra-processed/refined oils though, there is an argument to be made that these are novel foods that humans never ate until very recently. There aren't any old people who have been eating them their whole lives in the quantities we do now. This is probably true for industrially r…

Really? I don't know exactly how long people have been eating oil from olive, flax seed, sesame, coconut or palm nut, but I believe not under 6000–7000 years. But yeah, not the stuff we eat today.

To add, sunflower seed use predated maíz in some parts of North America, and mustard oil goes back to the Indus Valley Civilization.

Yes, the extraction of these oils is "novel" just like factory farms are novel. As the article explains, it is the ultra-processed food products that are the problem, not the seed oil ingredients.

Re: The seed oil panic is hurting my cardiac patients

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post #63
post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Ultra-processed" does not mean "many steps in the process of creating it". Although I assume many people are somewhat misusing the term by now, it originally comes from the "Nova" system, where part of the current definition of ultra-processed is: Industrially manufactured food products made up of several ingredients (formulations) including sugar, oils, fats and salt (generally in combination and in higher amounts…

Hexane, acid, caustic soda, bleach, and deodorisers have no or rare culinary use.

Yeah, but those dont end up in the final product afaik, which i think is the distiction being made.
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