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The seed oil panic is hurting my cardiac patients

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Re: The seed oil panic is hurting my cardiac patients

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Post by 3eb7988a1663 »

onion2k wrote: post #39
lopis wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If people got 75% of their calories from plant based whole foods, a lot of health problems would probably disappear overnight.

Is that even possible with the current food supply chain though?

On a per-calorie basis, yes. Animal protein requires 10x the input of what you get back: 100 calories of chicken requires 1000 calories of feed. Now what we feed livestock is unlikely what most people would want to consume, but the systems are in place to allow such a transition.

Last time I looked it up, the US produces something like a ~million+~ kilograms of corn for every person in the country.

Edit: it was pointed out my corn estimate was off, and it is order of magnitude 1000kg per person.

Re: The seed oil panic is hurting my cardiac patients

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Post by nekzn »

atollk wrote: post #51
elchief wrote: post #29

"eat less ultra-processed food" well, how do you think Canola Oil is made exactly? it's cracked, cooked, pressed, washed in hexane and acid, neutralized with caustic soda, bleached, deodorized on what planet is that not ultra processed? so, i should avoid ultra-processed food, except oils that are ultra-processed? whereas tallow, is...cut from meat i'm not suggesting you should only eat tallow, I'm just saying it's n…

"Ultra-processed" does not mean "many steps in the process of creating it". Although I assume many people are somewhat misusing the term by now, it originally comes from the "Nova" system, where part of the current definition of ultra-processed is: Industrially manufactured food products made up of several ingredients (formulations) including sugar, oils, fats and salt (generally in combination and in higher amounts…

Hexane, acid, caustic soda, bleach, and deodorisers have no or rare culinary use.

Re: The seed oil panic is hurting my cardiac patients

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Post by Loughla »

Aurornis wrote: post #24
declan_roberts wrote: post #11

> Back in the hospital, my patients are replacing olive oil with beef tallow This is a weird thing to call out since olive oil isn't a seed oil. Is the point that patients are confused? Does the author (a purported dietitian) not know this himself/herself?

The “seed oils” movement has grown beyond seed oils. People who follow seed oil influencers usually subscribe to a cluster of ideas. The superiority of beef tallow is one of them.

I mean, cooking with beef tallow is better though. It makes everything taste awesome.

Re: The seed oil panic is hurting my cardiac patients

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Post by andai »

InMice wrote: post #19

I try to take the middle road: Making 50-75%+ of my calories come from refined, powderized carbs and sugar (original food pyramid) - Bad Eating whole foods, lightly cooked. Whole food starch sources, often retrograde starch. avoid high heat fried foods, eat mostly leaner meats - Good Declaring plants and seed oils evil, nothing but lard, tallow and red meat and a dozen eggs a day - Bad Two meals day with no snacking…

Mammoth diet - Good good!

Re: The seed oil panic is hurting my cardiac patients

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Post by pessimizer »

medler wrote: post #50
elchief wrote: post #29

"eat less ultra-processed food" well, how do you think Canola Oil is made exactly? it's cracked, cooked, pressed, washed in hexane and acid, neutralized with caustic soda, bleached, deodorized on what planet is that not ultra processed? so, i should avoid ultra-processed food, except oils that are ultra-processed? whereas tallow, is...cut from meat i'm not suggesting you should only eat tallow, I'm just saying it's n…

Is criticism is directly, and convincingly, addressed in the article. > Some of what’s driving the seed oil panic isn’t wrong — it’s just misattributed. Ultra-processed food really is a problem. . . . But seed oils are not why ultra-processed food behaves that way. They are but one ingredient in a complex and highly engineered product designed to keep you eating past fullness. The oil isn’t the villain; the food prod…

Absolutely a PR campaign. People started getting upset about the array of bizarre chemicals in their foods and the minimal standards and regulations about introducing new ones (or disclosing completely the ones that you are using.)

The response has been to try to convert it into a moral campaign - actually the foods packed with bizarre barely regulated chemicals are also sometimes fatty and sweet, and you should stop indulging yourself and show some self-control.

Meanwhile, 20-somethings are starting to get a ton of colon cancer.

Re: The seed oil panic is hurting my cardiac patients

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Post by lithocarpus »

declan_roberts wrote: post #11

> Back in the hospital, my patients are replacing olive oil with beef tallow This is a weird thing to call out since olive oil isn't a seed oil. Is the point that patients are confused? Does the author (a purported dietitian) not know this himself/herself?

Much olive oil is not refined or ultra processed, but in the US market, 25%+ is.

According to https://www.imarcgroup.com/united-states-olive-oil-market

10% of olive oil in the US market is refined using the same hexane process as canola or soybean oil, and another 15% is refined using other chemical processes.

It's not a seed oil but for many people concerned about ultra processed food including refined oils, it's not the "seed" part but the "refined" part that's the issue, and specifically how it is refined.

Though there is also a concern many have about cooking unsaturated fats at very high temperatures causing oxidation/rancidity/free-radicals and thus oxidative stress which is a primary driver of disease, and seed oils tend to have a lot more unsaturated fat than animal fat. Olive oil is more saturated than seed oils but not as saturated as animal fat so it is more prone to oxidation - i.e. it degrades much easier with heat and goes rancid faster and thus is more likely to be rancid/oxidized when used since we don't usually get it fresh.

Re: The seed oil panic is hurting my cardiac patients

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Post by 0xDEFACED »

chneu wrote: post #36
kstrauser wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

#IAmVerySmart Edit: One of the few things I find more annoying than AI blogs is the gleeful rush to label everything as AI generated. It comes across as “I am so clever! You can’t fool me!” Meanwhile, that reads like a perfectly normal sounding thing for a human to have written. “This blog uses the word ‘the’ a lot. Sure sign of AI!”

Yup. Anything someone disagrees with is now "written by ai" as if that invalidates what was written.

i agree with the premise of the article. i also wish the author had cared enough about such an important topic to actually write about it themselves. doing otherwise disrespects the reader

Re: The seed oil panic is hurting my cardiac patients

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Post by aliasxneo »

Seed oils tend to cause severe inflammation in my body like most other ultra-processed foods. This is more than conjecture, due to existing health conditions, I keep a very strict diet with a food journal. I was excluding them long before RFK Jr. came around with the MAHA stuff. Yet another thing thats been politicized I guess.
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