This is the future. Does the future also have good things in it? Maybe! But they don't matter, and this is why.
Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant
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Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
This wouldn't be a story if the cops did not put the wrong license plate in the system. How is it Flock's fault? Flock is just doing what it is being asked to do! Let me put in simple terms: Flock flags license plates that are given to it. Someone, somewhere says, license plate "ABCD1234" has a warrant out. And guess what, if Flock sees that plate, it _will_ flag it each. and. every. time! Tomorrow, say an "Amber Ale…
Pigeonholing responsibility onto one party is what allows these mutually-dependent systems to point fingers at one another to escape blame. Rather, the responsibility here is shared. If you want to focus your call for reform on the police (for both making an overly-broad list, and also for harming innocent motorists without compensating them for the damage), then I agree that's more appropriate for this particular pr…
>Pigeonholing responsibility onto one party is what allows these mutually-dependent systems to point fingers at one another to escape blame
Exactly. The responsibility can't all be pinned on one party and divided no party has enough of it.
Collective guilt needs to make a comeback. Make people and systems have an incentive to associate with malicious or shoddy people or systems.
Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Law enforcement is setting up a multi-county dragnet by putting every version or mistype of a license plate into a warrant list" wouldn't be a story? It should be! We should have a higher standard for the people with guns and a badge on the street.
Flock is the problem too because their system is enabling the rights violations to scale up.
Its by design. By using a third party, they can get around the 4th amendment.
Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant
#114Flock should be shut down and their entire c-suite should be sent to prison for human rights violations Also, not just an isolated incident: https://youtu.be/8BImTddknfk We need strong laws preventing any AI process from being used for law enforcement at all . The mere presence of AI at any step in the process should result in complete exoneration.
Flock is doing something I find unethical, even immoral, but maybe not illegal. I want people who break the law to go to jail. I don’t care if they’re cops or c-suite execs. But what I really want is laws (preferably federal) that make it illegal to build systems that can be used for mass surveillance, and I want law enforcement to HAVE to get a warrant to receive data from surveillance companies, even if they offer…
> but maybe not illegal
We won't know for years/decades. This type of corporate malfeasance it being institutionalized at the highest levels.
Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant
#115Paraphrasing the crux of the issue: "It's regular practice in Colorado to list license plates with both versions, the one with 'O's and the other with Zeros in the warrant list." Insane. Practice. As always, this story has have nothing to do with the cameras or AI, but "law enforcement has an insane lazy practice" doesn't make for a very good headline anymore.
> As always, this story has have nothing to do with the cameras or AI, but "law enforcement has an insane lazy practice" doesn't make for a very good headline anymore. That practice isn't insane. It's what you'd always want. To the extent that it causes problems, you'd want to fix the practice that doesn't make sense, which is using an alphabet for license plates that contains both O and 0.
I personally don't want people violently dragged out of their cars at gunpoint when they don't actually have warrants.
Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant
#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
Flock is the problem too because their system is enabling the rights violations to scale up.
Its by design. By using a third party, they can get around the 4th amendment.
Using a third-party to bypass legal restrictions should in and of itself be considered willful and knowledgeable intent to violate the Constitution under color of law, regardless of the specific actions taken
Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant
#117Paraphrasing the crux of the issue: "It's regular practice in Colorado to list license plates with both versions, the one with 'O's and the other with Zeros in the warrant list." Insane. Practice. As always, this story has have nothing to do with the cameras or AI, but "law enforcement has an insane lazy practice" doesn't make for a very good headline anymore.
> this story has have nothing to do with the cameras or AI This story wouldn't exist without flock cameras constantly surveilling the public...cameras have EVERYTHING to do with this story.
This story also wouldn't exist without license plates. License plates are IDs into a state registry of cars prominently placed on the car, in order to make it easy for anyone who sees it, including cops, to identify that car to the criminal justice bureaucracy later. The same issues with Flock cameras correctly identifying the letters and numbers on the plate and then informing law enforcement, which uses them as an index into a corrupted database, apply to any other system, including a human being looking at the car. Any argument for getting rid of Flock cameras for this reason also applies to getting rid of license plates themselves.
And maybe we should get rid of license plates. What breaks if we abolish them, and neither cops nor anyone else is capable of running a license plate number search on the non-existent license plates of the cars around them?
Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant
#118This is the future. Does the future also have good things in it? Maybe! But they don't matter, and this is why.
The future is Flock, Palantir, and Ring or their descendants tracking your every move and generating your social credit score.
Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hmm, I wonder what Flock proponents would say when immediately asked about guns, after all, it's just a machine doing what it is being asked to do!
This is precisely what they mean when they say "guns don't kill people, bad people with guns kill people"
What that statement misses is that guns make people bad.
Re: Flock cameras keep telling police a man who doesn't have a warrant has a warrant
#120This man should sue for libel.