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Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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post #6

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Sounds a bit like trying to transfer my own money to myself at the bank. I.e. it seems designed to prevent old people getting scammed.

That's exactly what this is: Google is trying to prevent tech illiterate users from installing malware. (Or at least, that's their take on this. You can choose to read between the lines, or not, as to whether they have other motivations also.)

Define malware.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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post #68

This change has served me well! I have been a Mac OS X users for years who used an android phone. As soon as google announced their impending walled garden status, I went out and bought into the ios eco system. I have really been enjoying my iphone, ipad, and apple watch. You see, the only value that Android really offered me was the ability to run my own code on my own device. Since they are taking that away that ju…

So you moved into a walled garden in an attempt to escape what's essentially a 3 foot picket fenced garden.

If you cant beat them join them

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you moved into a walled garden in an attempt to escape what's essentially a 3 foot picket fenced garden.

If you cant beat them join them

If you are stuck in a walled garden either way, might at least try to get the benefits of it.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

#116

>Android's openness was never just a feature. It was the promise that distinguished it from iPhone. Millions chose Android for exactly that reason. Google is now revoking that promise unilaterally, on devices already in people's pockets, because they've decided they have enough market dominance and regulatory capture to get away with it. This is why I've stuck with Android for the past 15 years.

For you, is the openness of Android appealing as a matter of principle or does it enable you to do things you couldn't otherwise do?

You can download torrents on an android and plug usb media devices into it. When I was bicycle touring Europe with my wife a couple years ago we constantly downloaded books for direct input into our kobos and shows and movies to fall asleep to at night you could play from random, often old and crappy, hotel and airbnb televisions. You can’t do any of that on an iPhone.

That said; iPhone is my main phone, has been for a decade or more. But I deeply appreciate what you can do with an android.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

#117
post #48

This feels like something where the EU Commission should step in. This is directly counter to the Digital Markets Act, it's Google abusing its gatekeeper position.

It's not because you can still install apps outside the Play Store. The EU commission buys these "safety" arguments (also worked for Apple, they don't care that you still can't install IPAs) and the DMA is made for businesses, not for end-users. I once wrote them about the Chrome Web Store monopoly but they insist that everything is fine because businesses aren't impacted. They are of course also interested in centralized censorship because they can order Google to block apps they don't like.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

#118

Ugh such overreaction. ADB is still a thing. Apple doesn't even have an official command like tool where you can just push an IPA to your phone. Goodness.

I could still push an app to my phone via adb after this nonsense gets implemented?

Google is altering the deal. Pray Google does not alter it any further.

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

#119

I don't understand, there was all this regulation for force apple to allow alternative app stores, and now google are pulling this move? How is this not the same walled garden approach apple was forced to change?

The regulation has blatant loopholes, as usual. While it did force Apple to allow third party app stores, all apps still have to go through a review process by Apple themselves before they can be installed from any source, and they retain the ability to block any apps they don't approve of. Google is just following in their footsteps.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/118110#notarization

Re: Your phone is about to stop being yours

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post #103

>Android's openness was never just a feature. It was the promise that distinguished it from iPhone. Millions chose Android for exactly that reason. Google is now revoking that promise unilaterally, on devices already in people's pockets, because they've decided they have enough market dominance and regulatory capture to get away with it. This is why I've stuck with Android for the past 15 years.

> Millions chose Android for exactly that reason. Millions? Are you sure? Even so, Android has billions of users who want secure app management by default.

Don't buy the FUD claiming this is about "secure app management".
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