Putting someone on a (most) wanted list is "doxing"? [Edit] "An international search is underway for Daniil Maksimovich SHCHUKIN on suspicion of numerous counts of gang-related and commercial extortion using ransomware to the detriment of commercial enterprises, public facilities, and institutions."
Yeah, I’m not okay with this. Doxxing is a term with an extremely negative connotation and is often done to people who, bluntly, weren’t hiding or doing anything wrong. The correct term for the same act here is either “accuse” or “unmask”.
German police name alleged leaders of GandCrab and REvil ransomware groups
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#112Putting someone on a (most) wanted list is "doxing"? [Edit] "An international search is underway for Daniil Maksimovich SHCHUKIN on suspicion of numerous counts of gang-related and commercial extortion using ransomware to the detriment of commercial enterprises, public facilities, and institutions."
I do not understand this logic either. They take GDPR way too serious haha. JK obv.
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#113How is "this is the name of the formerly anonymous extortionist" doxxing? Unless there's something not covered in the article, his current address, family members, phone, etc were not listed. That's not doxxing; that's "here's a guy were want to arrest."
It seems to me that the meaning of the word "doxxing" has slowly drifted to mean "revealing information about somebody without their consent", be it by state actor, a company or an individual. BTW, what do you think will happen when people find out that their neighbor is secretly a pretty wealthy criminal? Attempts of theft, robbery and extortion have happened in the wake of such announcements. There was even a case…
Who knows, but I'm also not sure how you avoid that situation. Presumably, to be "doxxed" like this, there's substantive evidence he is actually the criminal. Strikes me as just one more downside of being a successful (but now identified) extortionist.
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
German govt is also one of the most corrupt and vastly incompetent govt. It's run by bunch of boomers. Most of the prolific ransomware gangs have terrible opsec. De-anon'ing them is child's play. Most of the opsec-aware TAs never even get attributed, let alone get caught for any breaches.
> One of the most corrupt It's on like place 10 out of 180, which makes it one of the least corrupt places. It also has some surprisingly non-boomer departments, like the Sovereign Tech Fund. Either way you need to celebrate police doing good things and immoral actors being exposed, it can only have good outcomes. Perhaps it deters them, or deters the next generation of such hackers. Or at least it makes their life l…
The one that has just invested in Scala? In year 2026? There are many good things about Germany, but competence in tech is not one of them.
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#115Some of the comments here (and lately on HN in general) are very concerning to me. Are we really going to pretend that people accused of real crimes shouldn’t be arrested, charged and, if found guilty, have an appropriate sentence? It doesn’t take many more than 2 brain cells rubbing together to see that that won’t end well. Whataboutism, political differences, and even real injustices in my opinion do not make this…
It probably depends on what people think about the laws that define what a "real crime" is. E.g. in germany it was a real crime to grow some weed. Now it's legal, but even before a lot of reasonable people didn't want someone go to jail over weed.
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#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
It probably depends on what people think about the laws that define what a "real crime" is. E.g. in germany it was a real crime to grow some weed. Now it's legal, but even before a lot of reasonable people didn't want someone go to jail over weed.
Sure, but do you consider this specific case a real crime?
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#118Some of the comments here (and lately on HN in general) are very concerning to me. Are we really going to pretend that people accused of real crimes shouldn’t be arrested, charged and, if found guilty, have an appropriate sentence? It doesn’t take many more than 2 brain cells rubbing together to see that that won’t end well. Whataboutism, political differences, and even real injustices in my opinion do not make this…
It probably depends on what people think about the laws that define what a "real crime" is. E.g. in germany it was a real crime to grow some weed. Now it's legal, but even before a lot of reasonable people didn't want someone go to jail over weed.
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#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not deep into the topic, but AFAIK there generally isn't a warm connection between the CCC and the BND in Germany (in the recent years mostly due to the BNDs involvement ins spying on German citizens, but I think there is also deeper history there). If a hacker collaborates with the BND they do run a risk of many of their peers not wanting to collaborate with them anymore.
It also has something to do with the so called "Hackerparagraph" [1] under which whitehat hacking is basically impossible in Germany. Even writing a program that could potentially be used for hacking is a crime. If you followed the law word for word the authors of e.g. curl could be charged under this law. 1: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorbereiten_des_Aussp%C3%A4hen... [de]