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Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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HauntingPin wrote: post #57
xboxnolifes wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ...one day, one of the municipal counselors just called up a friend who worked for a fiber laying company and asked them for a favor: put out a press release saying that they were “investigating” laying an undersea fiber to power a municipal fiber network on the little island. They called in a favor that put pressure on the company from public expectations.

Yes. What do you think happens in a competitive marketplace? Sony heard about Nintendo partnering up with Philips for the SNES CD expansion, so Sony made their own console. That's literally competition. The details of how the "public pressure" came to be don't matter, because the monopoly didn't know about that. All they knew was there was a potential competitor, so they behaved according to that information. That's…

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Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Post by hrimfaxi »

HauntingPin wrote: post #57
xboxnolifes wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ...one day, one of the municipal counselors just called up a friend who worked for a fiber laying company and asked them for a favor: put out a press release saying that they were “investigating” laying an undersea fiber to power a municipal fiber network on the little island. They called in a favor that put pressure on the company from public expectations.

Yes. What do you think happens in a competitive marketplace? Sony heard about Nintendo partnering up with Philips for the SNES CD expansion, so Sony made their own console. That's literally competition. The details of how the "public pressure" came to be don't matter, because the monopoly didn't know about that. All they knew was there was a potential competitor, so they behaved according to that information. That's…

I don't understand this line of thinking. The spreading of a false rumor is an example of a competitive marketplace? If this took place in a different domain wouldn't it be fraud? That it was in the public benefit seems orthogonal.

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Post by perching_aix »

The author keeps repeating this idea of a "dedicated internet connection" (DIA), and it kind of just irks me. Not because the author is wrong in how they use it, but because the term itself I find misleading, and I hate to see it continue to poison the common discourse.

A dedicated last-mile connection gives you a dedicated link to your ISP’s edge network, not a dedicated path across the internet. You won’t compete with your immediate neighbors on a shared access network anymore, sure, but you’re still sharing the ISP core, peering links, and transit links with the rest of their customers.

In practice this usually works well enough, because ISPs engineer their core and peering capacity with low over-subscription, especially for business and DIA customers. So you can often push near line rate anyway, but not because you have a truly reserved slice of the internet. A Switzerland-sized country would need like petabit-scale connectivity to provide actually dedicated 25G links (or even just 1G links) to everyone.

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Post by ginko »

throwaway27448 wrote: post #105
ceejayoz wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It implies that Switzerland is by no means so tiny their lessons learned can't apply to other multi-million human sized regions. Switzerland gets along with others just fine, to the point where Italy and France used to handle their air defense on the weekends ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Airlines_Flight_702 ). > The Swiss Air Force did not respond because the incident occurred outside normal office hours…

Try 500 mil and you'll see china is the only interesting sample. If the swiss were able to get along with others, they wouldn't have such a reputation as racist nazis

There's only two countries with over 500 million people and they're complete freak outliers.

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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mft_ wrote: post #61

I have a gentle rule, which is when discussing (geo)politics with friends, we should try not to use Switzerland as an example. It's just too good, too rational, too sensible, too well run, in myriad ways that other countries should be able to emulate, but consistently and constantly don't.

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Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Post by tjwebbnorfolk »

ceejayoz wrote: post #63
mft_ wrote: post #61

I have a gentle rule, which is when discussing (geo)politics with friends, we should try not to use Switzerland as an example. It's just too good, too rational, too sensible, too well run, in myriad ways that other countries should be able to emulate, but consistently and constantly don't.

I have a gentle rule, which is "if you can do it in one place, it is probably possible to do it in a second". The Swiss are not a separate species.

There are a lot of things you can do in a rich, tiny, homogenous country that you can't do in a enormous, diverse country.

If my house were a country, I'd be in the top 0.1% of household internet speeds compared to other countries. Obviously everyone should be just like me!

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