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Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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It's also too tiny to be representative of most of humanity

Switzerland has a population larger than all but ~11 US states.

What is this supposed to imply? us states are also a poor representation of humanity. This matters a great deal: switzerland is notoriously ethnically homogenous and unable to get along with anyone. Life on easy mode!

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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I have a gentle rule, which is when discussing (geo)politics with friends, we should try not to use Switzerland as an example. It's just too good, too rational, too sensible, too well run, in myriad ways that other countries should be able to emulate, but consistently and constantly don't.

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Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Free market enthusiasts' reasoning is literary the same as Communists': when their grand theory fails to deliver its grandiose promises, it's nver because their believes where nonsensical, but because “it isn't real Communism/free market”.

Communist regimes, especially the USSR, had nearly unlimited power to impose exactly the policies that supposedly would help. Open societies, in contrast, must balance many competing interests and voting factions, meaning that free market supporters have limited power to enact their preferred policies, meaning they rarely can be implemented in a “pure” form.

That’s a nice story. In reality the “open society” is open to takeover by international finance capital. It’s like running a server with “admin”:”password” SSH credentials — a security vulnerability that cedes control to outsiders. Imagine China and Iran allowing Larry Ellison to own their media, or allowing Larry Fink to control a big chunk of their markets, or allowing George Soros to manipulate their currency and operate NGOs within their borders. That would be plainly idiotic and suicidal.

“Open society!” coos the fox to the henhouse. LOL, no thanks!

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Switzerland has a population larger than all but ~11 US states.

What is this supposed to imply? us states are also a poor representation of humanity. This matters a great deal: switzerland is notoriously ethnically homogenous and unable to get along with anyone. Life on easy mode!

It implies that Switzerland is by no means so tiny their lessons learned can't apply to other multi-million human sized regions.

Switzerland gets along with others just fine, to the point where Italy and France used to handle their air defense on the weekends (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Airlines_Flight_702).

> The Swiss Air Force did not respond because the incident occurred outside normal office hours; a Swiss Air Force spokesman stated: "Switzerland cannot intervene because its airbases are closed at night and on the weekend. It's a question of budget and staffing." Switzerland relies on neighboring countries to police its airspace outside of regular business hours; the French and Italian Air Forces have permission to escort suspicious flights into Swiss airspace, but do not have authority to shoot down an aircraft over Switzerland.

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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What is this supposed to imply? us states are also a poor representation of humanity. This matters a great deal: switzerland is notoriously ethnically homogenous and unable to get along with anyone. Life on easy mode!

It implies that Switzerland is by no means so tiny their lessons learned can't apply to other multi-million human sized regions. Switzerland gets along with others just fine, to the point where Italy and France used to handle their air defense on the weekends ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Airlines_Flight_702 ). > The Swiss Air Force did not respond because the incident occurred outside normal office hours…

Try 500 mil and you'll see china is the only interesting sample.

If the swiss were able to get along with others, they wouldn't have such a reputation as racist nazis

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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What does one achieve with 25 GB internet? Are speeds actually usefully faster, or is there some other bottleneck that makes the practical speed the same as in the US? Also any workload I have that is bandwidth heavy would be on clouds machines between data centres and generally very fast. Are there reasons why someone at home would benefit from 25GB internet beyond whatever is available? Is this a case of over engin…

I think you misunderstood the article, or perhaps didn't read it? So the way the system works is each house has 4 physical fibers into it, that go into a central office without being aggregated up. Inside the central office any ISP can offer any speed vs price option they want, because they just patch you in at layer 1. So of course, most people wouldn't necessarily need to get 26Gbit. But if you want to offer it as…

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Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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It implies that Switzerland is by no means so tiny their lessons learned can't apply to other multi-million human sized regions. Switzerland gets along with others just fine, to the point where Italy and France used to handle their air defense on the weekends ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Airlines_Flight_702 ). > The Swiss Air Force did not respond because the incident occurred outside normal office hours…

Try 500 mil and you'll see china is the only interesting sample. If the swiss were able to get along with others, they wouldn't have such a reputation as racist nazis

China is, as the EU (450M), US (340M), and Switzerland are, broken into smaller subunits for local and regional government.

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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We already have this in Utah with Utopia with 53% coverage across the state (A state 5 times the size of Switzerland) so kind of weird the post is acting like Europe is special or something.

And there are lots of ISPs to choose from, several with 10Gbps symmetrical. Because it's dark fiber that you can literally purchase (I was quoted about $3k to purchase the fiber to the CO), there's nothing stopping you from putting 25Gbps optics on both ends if you are super determined.

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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Because it isn't a free market in the USA. And those that regulate it don't seem to care. Or maybe it is those that have been granted a monopoly do everything they can to retain said monopoly. Things would be different if we actually had a free market

Yes, the duopolies are due to regulatory capture in the US.

A lot of ISPs need permitting that they will never get in order to enter a new market/location.

Re: Why Switzerland has 25 Gbit internet and America doesn't

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So one would think. And yet, living in Switzerland after the UK involved one after another discovery of how well-ordered and -run a country could be. And then moving to Germany was like stepping back even further behind my memories of the UK. I'm sure you could find examples of countries that do specific things as well as Switzerland; but I'm not aware of many places that do almost everything so excellently. (Maybe J…

I don't doubt there are differences. I doubt they're insurmountable. Again, because the Swiss aren't some genetically superior subspecies. Culture can be changed. I see Americans talk about how impossible universal healthcare is as if the rest of the developed world hasn't largely figured it out.

Nothing is insurmountable; however each one of us must play within the practical constraints of our local geographies (political, social, financial and physical). The parent comment probably means that Switzerland is in a positive on all axes unlike the rest of the world.
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