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Tesla Is Sitting on a Record 50k Unsold EVs

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Re: Tesla Is Sitting on a Record 50k Unsold EVs

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Free speech erosion under Biden... can you elaborate?

The administration put pressure on tech companies to make them censor people for "disinformation". For example: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/mark-zuckerbe... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_Files https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden_laptop_controvers...

Damn it's really an infringement on our rights that they cracked down on people yelling "fire" in a crowded theater

Re: Tesla Is Sitting on a Record 50k Unsold EVs

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post #102
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Induction requires your cookware to sit flat against the surface or it won’t heat up (and the range will shut off after a certain time). With natural gas the flames rise through convection and wrap around the contours of the pan. This means many traditional pieces of cookware with round bottoms simply will not work on induction but work fine on natural gas. Induction also requires the cookware to be ferromagnetic. Th…

> Induction requires your cookware to sit flat against the surface or it won’t heat up Not really. You’ve obviously not used modern induction cooktops (though if you’ve gone to a restaurant you’ve eaten from it). > The temperature profile of a round-bottom wok over gas flame is also superior to a flat-bottom wok on induction Explain why induction cooktops are incredibly widespread across modern Asian restaurants. You…

I'd rather listen to one of the top chefs in China: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgYXRuQcniw

Fried rice IS a quick dish with a proper gas burner.

Re: Tesla Is Sitting on a Record 50k Unsold EVs

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The administration put pressure on tech companies to make them censor people for "disinformation". For example: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/mark-zuckerbe... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_Files https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden_laptop_controvers...

Damn it's really an infringement on our rights that they cracked down on people yelling "fire" in a crowded theater

This is your regularly mandated PSA that the quote about "yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater" comes from Schenck v US, which used that analogy to justify why the government could ban people from protesting the draft in WW1. It is not good law anymore, and has been fully superseded since the Brandenburg v Ohio case which limited the exemption to "imminent lawless action."

Re: Tesla Is Sitting on a Record 50k Unsold EVs

#114
post #67

This is all so frustrating. Tesla could have easily been an American auto maker generational success story. Instead they’re working hard to undermine their own success, turn their brand toxic, and even design vehicles that are unappealing to key purchasing demographics (Cybertruck).

I think Tesla as a company is doing the right moves. The management (excluding Elon) seems solid and smart. The problem is that we often attach a company or a larger idea to a single person, even when it is much much bigger than that individual. People started boycotting Tesla because of Elon Musk, without considering that Tesla is actually thousands of engineers, workers, and managers. And majority of decisions are…

The amount of apologia exists for Musk actions is just mind boggling. It seems to me that people want all the good from the hype Musk brings, but if things go wrong - Why don't people think of the poor workers?

You live by the sword, you die by the sword. If people were so smart where were they when Musk was hyping autonomous vehicles being just around the corner for years? Or the fact that the board of directors kept raising his compensation to insane levels because he kept threatening them that he'll walk out? The company chose to do this. People didn't. Now that he is tanking the valuation, we don't need to separate out Tesla and Musk. They are one and the same.

Re: Tesla Is Sitting on a Record 50k Unsold EVs

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post #43

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The best pronoun joke, ever.

It could be, except it's not factually correct (and an element of truth is necesssary for good humor). GP was talking about Tesla , not about Elon. The correct pronoun for a company is surely "they"

WHOOSH! You're completely missing the point that it's all Elon's fault, not his company's. GP was incorrect to blame Tesla for Musk's own failures. Blaming the destruction and undermining and toxicity on "them" is obfuscating the true cause, and smearing hard working innocent people, who didn't just shoot off their big fat racist mouths like Elon did.

Nobody else at Tesla made Nazi salutes, and publicly bullied, abused, and humiliated their own daughter, and perpetrated DOGE's destruction and corruption. Tesla ("they") had nothing to do with any of that, but suffered from Elon doing it.

Re: Tesla Is Sitting on a Record 50k Unsold EVs

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post #98

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ha! I stand corrected :-)

The most amusing to me is that British English considers a company a collective noun, and says "Apple are going to make an iPod" whereas the US considers it a singular entity and says "Apple is going to make an iPod".

heh, great point, I never noticed that, but now I don't think I can unsee it. Consistency ftw

Re: Tesla Is Sitting on a Record 50k Unsold EVs

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post #102
post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Induction requires your cookware to sit flat against the surface or it won’t heat up (and the range will shut off after a certain time). With natural gas the flames rise through convection and wrap around the contours of the pan. This means many traditional pieces of cookware with round bottoms simply will not work on induction but work fine on natural gas. Induction also requires the cookware to be ferromagnetic. Th…

> Induction requires your cookware to sit flat against the surface or it won’t heat up Not really. You’ve obviously not used modern induction cooktops (though if you’ve gone to a restaurant you’ve eaten from it). > The temperature profile of a round-bottom wok over gas flame is also superior to a flat-bottom wok on induction Explain why induction cooktops are incredibly widespread across modern Asian restaurants. You…

There's a misconception that Chinese food requires a 50,000 BTU burner causing "wok hei" to be right. The truth is that Chinese cuisine is huge and varied. Some regional dishes do actually require that. Most do not and can be cooked at home.

An equivalent induction stove would be around 5000W, which I think exists. The problem with inductioning a wok is the tossing motion removes the wok from the heat, unlike over a big flame. It probably doesn't matter, but maybe it does.

The main difference is that the gas instantly turns off, whereas with induction, the stove surface the pan sits on is just as hot as the pan, because the pan heats it up via contact, so it's almost like electric in that way. I kind of doubt this matters except in certain specialty things like candy making. I'd consider myself a very proficient chef at the level of a new culinary school graduate (minus the restauranteering modules), and in practice any stove type is just fine. I'm not going to rip out my gas stove though; it came with the house and adds resale value.

Re: Tesla Is Sitting on a Record 50k Unsold EVs

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The administration put pressure on tech companies to make them censor people for "disinformation". For example: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/mark-zuckerbe... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_Files https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden_laptop_controvers...

Damn it's really an infringement on our rights that they cracked down on people yelling "fire" in a crowded theater

Read the links. It wasn't just that. People from the administration were actively talking with social media companies and telling them to take stuff down. At some points they even demanded it.

andy do you really think the Hunter Biden laptop story was equivalent or even close to "yelling fire in a crowded theatre"?

Re: Tesla Is Sitting on a Record 50k Unsold EVs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The administration put pressure on tech companies to make them censor people for "disinformation". For example: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/mark-zuckerbe... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_Files https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden_laptop_controvers...

Remind me who was president in 2020..

Fair, that one wasn't a good example for this.

Though IMHO it's not just a Biden problem, it's a "everybody in power" problem. They just can't seem to resist (ab)using their power to shape the conversation and censor their opponents. It's also not new, it's been happening for hundreds of years at least. But it did get a lot more brazen under Biden IMHO with Twitter/Facebook etc and admin officials telling private companies what to censor (err, "moderate").

Re: Tesla Is Sitting on a Record 50k Unsold EVs

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post #67

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I think Tesla as a company is doing the right moves. The management (excluding Elon) seems solid and smart. The problem is that we often attach a company or a larger idea to a single person, even when it is much much bigger than that individual. People started boycotting Tesla because of Elon Musk, without considering that Tesla is actually thousands of engineers, workers, and managers. And majority of decisions are…

> I think Tesla as a company is doing the right moves. The management (excluding Elon) seems solid and smart. How can (generally) dropping sales and having 50,000 unsold cars on stock be the right move?

Perhaps OP is referring to the pivot away from cars and toward automation

But seeing as how they haven’t launched a decent car in a decade, and have utterly failed to launch true FSD as promised, I have no confidence that they can succeed in a new market given they are demonstrably shit at their core competency

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