Why on God's green earth is Windows running on the Artemis spaceship?
They're not on God's green earth anymore, now are they?
It’s also blue, not green.
Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why
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Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why do they “need” email access in the first place?! What the actual fuck.
They're officers and researchers strapped into their seats for 10 days, what could they be doing that doesn't involve email
Traditionally, officers would probably be working on their powerpoint slide decks.
I wonder if they've checked for any rogue sharepoint instances yet...
Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why
#113guys former NASA Mission Control Web Tool Team and OCA here (Orbital Comms Adapter office which was a backroom position)
Crews have been using thinkpad laptops (personal laptops since the 2005) on the ISS and Shuttle. Artemis is likely an extension of this
Laptops go through a long space hardening and verification process. Windows and Outlook is the result of that
We used to do "Mail Syncs" which taking the outlook file and pushing it up to the crews laptop doing a comm window via TDRSS network -that how astronauts got their email
is this high tech - no -does it work and been done for years yes.
Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why
#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn't this what Embedded Windows was always for, like for use in medical equipment, ATMs, POS, PLC, oscilloscopes, etc? Basically stuff that's supposed to be fire-and-forget, run 24/7 and that the user shouldn't be able to tinker with. And also what group policies were for, that can disable the user from installing any software? Am I wrong to assume that the fuckup was on your end, for using the wrong tool and not co…
> Am I wrong to assume that the fuckup was on your end, for using the wrong tool and not configuring it properly? Not at all. I agree that it should have been locked down and only privileged accounts should be allowed software update. But the system auto-booted into an Administrator account so it really wasn't a surprise that eventually someone would do something stupid. I will say that this was for Windows NT retail…
>But the system auto-booted into an Administrator account
Sounds like a major NT configuration mistake.
Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
>"Is it just me that finds it terrifying that theres any Windows bits on a spaceship?" SpaceX Crew Dragon console interfaces are entirely React apps
Good! I've long said that Embedded UIs should be transitioning to being locally hosted webapps for a variety of reasons.
What would that variety of reasons be? Genuinely asking.
Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why
#116Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why
#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
What should they use for email?
Pine
Huh, back in the 2001/2002 timeframe I worked at an old company that gave everyone a Windows laptop but us engineers also had UNIX accounts on the server cluster, which we logged into for dev work.
Our company was hit with one of the worms (don’t remember which). Thousands of emails constantly coming in and everyone scrambling to delete them - except people like me, who were on vacation. I returned to an inbox that instantly crashed Outlook. IT was trying to find a solution. But I logged into the UNIX cluster, opened Pine, and deleted all the crap, page by page. When I got most of it done, Outlook started working again.
IT was shocked but then told everyone else to go do what I did, eliminating their need to do any work. So I guess you win some and you lose some..
Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why
#118Why on God's green earth is Windows running on the Artemis spaceship?
Because Microsoft is an American company, and Linux is some kind of a communist daycare center.
Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why
#119This talk about off-the-shelf hardware in space makes me wonder, given the clear line of sight, if it would be possible to detect their Wi-Fi access points' beacons from Earth. I'm not a "radio guy" and don't know if this would be impossible, simply on the basis of physics, due to the presumably low radiated power from the APs and the limitations of the size of typical antennas on the ground. (Obviously it's possible…
Taking bets that the access point is called "Free Airport WIFI"
https://www.npr.org/2010/10/09/130451369/the-zombie-network-...
Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why
#120Everyone likes to point and laugh, sure, I'm getting a chuckle as well. However, on more practical level, what are other options? Outlook, the desktop application works really well with local copies, is pretty low bandwidth and very familiar to end users. IMAP with Thunderbird is probably only other option that would satisfy the requirements. EDIT: Yes they need to get email in space. It's easy way to send documents…
> However, on more practical level, what are other options? Outlook, the desktop application works really well with local copies, is pretty low bandwidth and very familiar to end users.
Claws-mail (https://claws-mail.org) has a good working Windows version. Native desktop app, lightweight, extremely fast, able to handle multigigabyte inboxes for breakfast. The only drawback for some would be that it does not compose (although it can display them just fine) HTML mail, only text-only mail. This is an architectural decision.