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Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by JimmaDaRustla »

bluegatty wrote: post #89
scwoodal wrote: post #79

Why does it matter to Anthropic if my $200 plan usage is coming from Claude Code or a third party? Doesn’t both count towards my usage limits the same?

If you buy a 'Season's Pass' for Disneyland, you cant 'sublet' it to another kid to use on the days you don't; It's not really buying a 'daily access rate'. Anthropic subs are not 'bulk tokens'. It's not an unreasonable policy and it's entirely inevitable that they have to restrict.

Disingenuous analogy.

It's more buying a season pass for Disneyland, then getting told you can't park for free if you're entering the park even though free parking is included with the pass. Still not unreasonable, but brings to light the intention of the tool is to force the user into an ecosystem rather.

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by hedora »

mkw5053 wrote: post #20
eleventyseven wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know that if you are just using a cloud service and not running local models, you could have just bought a raspberry pi.

Yeah. I know it’s dumb but it’s also a very expensive machine to run BlueBubbles, because iMessage requires a real Mac signed into an Apple ID, and I want a persistent macOS automation host with native Messages, AppleScript, and direct access to my local dev environment, not just a headless Linux box calling APIs.

My M2 macbook pro runs qwen fine, and so will any mac mini with maxed out ram.

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by slopinthebag »

raincole wrote: post #106
slopinthebag wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the internet has hundreds of thousands of super smart coders with the most powerful ai models as well, I think it's a bit harder than you're assuming. you just need to inspect the network traffic with Claude code and mimic that

If your service's traffic is literally indistinguishable from Claude Code, then all it can do is what Claude Code does. Then why are the users going to choose your service instead of Claude Code?

Maybe because the UI doesn't flicker? There's a lot you can do to improve the UI for starters, and then the harness around the agent could also be improved upon, as long as the prompts are the same.

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by adrianN »

eru wrote: post #105
JimmaDaRustla wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My crude metaphor to explain to my family is gasoline has just been invented and we're all being lent Bentley's to get us addicted to driving everywhere. Eventually we won't be given free Bentley's, and someone is going to be holding the bag when the infinite money machine finally has a hiccup. The tech giants are hoping their gasoline is the one that we all crave when we're left depending on driving everywhere and t…

Why? Computers and anything computer related have historically been dropping in prices like crazy year after year (with only very occasional hiccups). What makes you think this will stop now?

Cars have also been dropping in price.

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by scwoodal »

ac29 wrote: post #107
sambull wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

these subscriptions have limits.. how could someone use $200 worth on $20/month.. is that not the issue with the limits they set on a $20 plan, and couldn't a claude code user use that same $200 worth on $20/month? (and how do i do this?)

The usage limit on your $20/month subscription is not $20 of API tokens (if it was, why subscribe?). Its much much higher, and you can hit the equivalent of $20 of API usage in a few days.

So I’m not allowed to use the $20 plan and max out its limits?

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by snihalani »

sambull wrote: post #80
paxys wrote: post #31

I don't think it's a secret that AI companies are losing a ton of money on subscription plans. Hence the stricter rate limits, new $200+ plans, push towards advertising etc. The real money is in per-token billing via the API (and large companies having enough AI FOMO that they blindly pay the enormous invoices every month).

The secret is there is no path on making that back.

how do I understand what is the sustainable pricing?

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by herbturbo »

theptip wrote: post #52

I think this is shortsighted. The markets value recurring subscription revenue at something like 10x “one-off” revenue, Anthropic is leaving a lot of enterprise value on the table with this approach. In practice this approach forces AI apps to pay Anthropic for tokens, and then bill their customers a subscription. Customers could bring their own API key but it’s sketchy to put that into every app you want to try, and…

I think they are smart making a distinction between a D2C subscription which they control the interface to and eat the losses for vs B2B use where they pay for what they use.

Allows them to optimize their clients and use private APIs for exclusive features etc. and there’s really no reason to bootstrap other wannabe AI companies who just stick a facade experience in front of Anthropic’s paying customer.

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by exabrial »

hedora wrote: post #102
minimaxir wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you implying that no one would use LLM SaaSes and everyone would self-host if energy costs were negligible? That is...not how it works. People self-hosting don't look at their electricity bill.

I was stuck on the part where they said neither party could provide cheap abundant decentralized clean energy. Biden / Obama did a great job of providing those things, to the point where dirty coal and natural gas are both more expensive than solar or wind. So, which two parties could they be referring to? The Republicans and the Freedom Caucus?

Bro… re read your comment.
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