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Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by Aurornis »

bikezen wrote: post #50
buzzerbetrayed wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah that’s not true. It’s a lie. And we all know why it’s a lie. Adults in the US with ID is 99%

*Citation needed > Nearly 21 million voting-age U.S. citizens do not have a current (non-expired) driver’s license. Just under 9%, or 20.76 million people, who are U.S. citizens aged 18 or older do not have a non-expired driver’s license. Another 12% (28.6 million) have a non- expired license, but it does not have both their current address and current name. For these individuals, a mismatched address is the largest…

That seems like a good citation, but it supports the 99% number above

> Additionally, just over 1% of adult U.S. citizens do not have any form of government-issued photo identification, which amounts to nearly 2.6 million people.

The rest of the statistic is about driver's licenses specifically, including technicalities like expiration dates and address changes. The online ID check for age verification don't care about the address part anyway, in my experience.

If someone has an expired drivers' license or they changed their name and haven't updated their IDs, they have bigger problems than age-verifying their Discord accounts.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by decimalenough »

bob1029 wrote: post #95
cocoto wrote: post #4

The real and robust method will be generating artificial video input instead of the real webcam. I really don’t think any platform will be able to counter this. If they start requiring to use a phone with harder to spoof camera input, you will simply be able to put the camera in front of a high resolution screen. The cat and mouse game will not last long.

They could do what a bank does and run everyone's ID through chexsystems. It's really hard to defeat this. Fake identities don't exist in the system and stolen ones would get flagged by geographic, time of use and velocity rules.

Doesn't work for places like Australia, where the social media ban applies only to under-16s. Teenagers rarely have ID, especially in countries where the minimum driving age is higher than 16 (read: most of the world outside the US).

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by nine_k »

zahlman wrote: post #52
GaryBluto wrote: post #39

I don't understand why (mostly) young people put so much effort into remaining customers of a service that is actively hostile against them and that they do not like. Does the convenience of remaining on a service you don't like the management of outweigh the mild effort to find an alternative solution?

> the mild effort to find an alternative solution? Calling it a "mild effort" assumes skills that older generations took for granted but many young people seem to have been actively trained out of. We're past the era where I take for granted that aspiring programmers need to have the basics of a terminal or shell explained to them, into one where they might need an explanation for the basics of a file system and path…

I don't think it's beyond their comprehension to ask: "how can I have a chat system that I personally control?" The rest will be taken care of.

Look at the Amnezia VPN. It's an app that helps you buy a VPS from a range of cloud provides, then sets it up, completely from the phone, as an exit node under user control.

I don't see why a chat server cannot be set up and managed this way. It only takes one dedicated developer to produce.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by Aurornis »

jsheard wrote: post #31
arcologies1985 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can't feasibly do this in the US since many people don't have drivers licenses or passports.

Don't you have to be over 18 to get a credit card in the US? How many wouldn't be able to present a CC or ID?

Age verification requires a document that can be matched to your ID, such as by the photo on your ID card.

Credit cards don't have photos.

> How many Americans wouldn't be able to present a CC or ID?

The number of Americans who don't have a government issued photo ID is estimated around 1%. The number gets larger if you start going by technicalities like having an expired ID that hasn't been renewed yet.

The intersection between the 1% of 18+ Americans who don't have an ID and those who want to fully verify their Discord accounts is probably a very small number.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by joeevans1000 »

Retr0id wrote: post #8

Hm, when attempting it I get redirected to https://age-verifier.kibty.town/webview?url=null , which says: {"error":"error parsing webview url"} Edit: Apparently my discord account is in some kind of A/B feature test that uses a different verification provider, Persona

Persona is the same company oftentimes used for the "show your ID to get in the bar and also we'll data harvest you... and share your data with various people if asked". Go ahead and google search on them for more insight.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by nomdep »

GaryBluto wrote: post #39

I don't understand why (mostly) young people put so much effort into remaining customers of a service that is actively hostile against them and that they do not like. Does the convenience of remaining on a service you don't like the management of outweigh the mild effort to find an alternative solution?

Because they are used to follow limitations since the day they were born, and have all the time in the world

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by bob1029 »

decimalenough wrote: post #112
bob1029 wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They could do what a bank does and run everyone's ID through chexsystems. It's really hard to defeat this. Fake identities don't exist in the system and stolen ones would get flagged by geographic, time of use and velocity rules.

Doesn't work for places like Australia, where the social media ban applies only to under-16s. Teenagers rarely have ID, especially in countries where the minimum driving age is higher than 16 (read: most of the world outside the US).

The concept of identity doesn't necessarily have to be embodied by a piece of physical plastic that goes into a wallet.

Ad-hoc identification can occur via other means like dynamic knowledge based authentication. The sources of this mechanism can be literally anything. Social media itself being one obvious source for the target cohort.

You can walk into many US financial institutions without an ID and still get really far using KBA workflows. The back office will hassle you for a proper scan of a physical ID, but you can often get an account open and funded with just KBA.

Re: Discord/Twitch/Snapchat age verification bypass

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Post by Barrin92 »

Gigachad wrote: post #82
jsheard wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They already support ID checks as an alternative to face scanning, if the latter proves to be untenable then it's literally a case of flipping a switch to mandate ID instead.

The long term solution would have to be some kind of integration with a government platform where the platform doesn’t see your ID and the government doesn’t see what you are signing up for. I don’t this will happen in the US but I can see it in more privacy responding countries. Apple and Google may also add some kind of “child flag” parents can enable which tells websites and apps this user is a child and all age c…

this is already how the EU infrastructure for digital ID works, basically. Using public/private keys on your national id, the government functions as a root authority that you (and other trusted verifiers downstream) can identify you with and commercial platforms only get a yes/no when you want to identify yourself but have no access to any data.

South Korea also has had various versions of this even going back to ~2004 I think.

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