How is this related to Toyota? Toyota the car manufacturer?
They needed a GUI toolkit for dash display, and didn't really like long engine init time of Unreal/Unity/Godot.
Was bevy considered?
Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter
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Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter
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While I agree with you that the issue is far worse with larger vehicles, I do find that backing up in my wife's 2011 camry (without a backup camera) feels significantly less safe than I feel backing up my 2017 accord with a backup camera. I'm all for fixing the structural issue you are referring to, but I think the requirement for those cameras is sane in an age where the added cost to the manufacturer is miniscule.
Its not just the added cost, its the supply chain. Putting cameras into cars requires processors, ram, all manner of chips and compnents that a car didnt need before. There was the chip shortage during covid which held car production back becasue the auto makers couldnt source their chips fast enough. I am waiting to see if the current supply issue for ram chips modules will produce a similar effect.
Was it ever a problem to get the kind of phone SoC or camera chips you'd need for a backup camera if you were willing to pay an extra $20? I thought the issue was more specialized things. And you need one gigabyte of ram or less.
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Putting cameras into cars requires processors, ram, all manner of chips and compnents that a car didnt need before. Was there a single mass market consumer car sold in the United States in this millennium that didn’t already have processors and RAM in them? I would be absolutely shocked if there was a single car for which the relatively recent backup camera requirement required them to introduce processors and RAM…
I’m pretty sure that you can buy aftermarket backup cameras. The car can be a dumb bunny, and still have a good camera.
Yeah, my 2005 beater has both CarPlay and a backup camera. Cost me $40 and an hour of labor.
Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter
#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not just ginormous SUVs with this problem, though, right? You're not going to see a 18 month old out the back window of your compact hatchback if they're too close to your car. Especially now that windows seem to be tinier than they used to.
No, it's common to all vehicles. You can't see small children behind a small passenger car, either. Blaming trucks and SUVs for everything is a favorite pasttime of internet comments, but all vehicles benefit from backup cameras and collision detection sensors.
The US averages 23 pedestrian deaths per million people per year. The EU averages 8. The US fatalities have increased by 50% since 2013, while in the EU have decreased by 25% in the same time frame.
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> They use this game engine in the 2026 RAV4 Funny how “game engines” are now car parts in 2026. Can I just have an electric car that’s a car and nothing else? Seats, wheels pedals, mirrors, real buttons, no displays just a aux jack. I’d buy it, hell I might even take the risk and pre-order it
Part of what has made modern EVs successful in the wider market is the connected navigation system that knows your battery level, current consumption, planned navigation route, and what charging stations are available along the way. To have a decent travel experience in an EV you'd likely at least need this data ported out to your phone via an OBD adapter or CarPlay / Android Auto integration with an in-car infotainm…
Connecting via ODB? Come on. The car does not need any of that built into it. You can connect an app on your phone to handle all of that and just use the screen as a display. There is no need for a car to have a cellular connection just to give this functionality. That would also prevent the car from being able to communicate with the mother ship. If there's an update, have the app do that as well.
Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter
#116It doesn't say Toyota anywhere on the page and they don't have a link to a repo or anything like that, so I was a little confused. But it is from /that/ Toyota (well, a subsidiary that is making 3d software for their displays) and there was a talk at FOSDEM about it: https://fosdem.org/2026/schedule/event/7ZJJWW-fluorite-game-...
> They use this game engine in the 2026 RAV4 Funny how “game engines” are now car parts in 2026. Can I just have an electric car that’s a car and nothing else? Seats, wheels pedals, mirrors, real buttons, no displays just a aux jack. I’d buy it, hell I might even take the risk and pre-order it
You’re describing the Slate truck. Really hope they deliver what they’ve promised.
Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter
#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, it's common to all vehicles. You can't see small children behind a small passenger car, either. Blaming trucks and SUVs for everything is a favorite pasttime of internet comments, but all vehicles benefit from backup cameras and collision detection sensors.
The US averages 23 pedestrian deaths per million people per year. The EU averages 8. The US fatalities have increased by 50% since 2013, while in the EU have decreased by 25% in the same time frame. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/74/wr/mm7408a2.htm
What’s really crazy was Trump forcing the UK to change road safety rules so they could sell more American pick up trucks in the UK.
So pedestrian deaths would start rising again.
Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter
#118Filament is not a console grade renderer, not even close. It's architectured around GL. Yes, it can use Vulkan but it's not in any way optimized like a console engine.
This is a very interesting but also frustrating comment. If you're right that it's not a console grade renderer (not that I know what that even means) then that's really interesting - but why not? And could it be in future or is it fundamentally impossible for some reason?
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How are you going to maintain all that when you find bugs if it generates a ton of code you did not get through to understand it?
You don't, and as long as you're comfortable with that you keep prompting to dig yourself out of holes. The problem is unless your ready to waste hours prompting to get something exactly how you want it, instead of spending those few minutes doing it yourself, you start to get complacent for whatever the LLM generated for you. IMO it feels like being a geriatric handicap, there's literally nothing you can do because…
That's also how you get security nightmares.
The way I use LLM's is that I design main data structures, function interfaces etc. and ask LLM's to fill them. Also test cases and assertions.
Re: Fluorite – A console-grade game engine fully integrated with Flutter
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not just ginormous SUVs with this problem, though, right? You're not going to see a 18 month old out the back window of your compact hatchback if they're too close to your car. Especially now that windows seem to be tinier than they used to.
No, it's common to all vehicles. You can't see small children behind a small passenger car, either. Blaming trucks and SUVs for everything is a favorite pasttime of internet comments, but all vehicles benefit from backup cameras and collision detection sensors.
Collision detection sensors do the job just fine without a screen though.
I have a 2016 vehicle with no console screen and they have saved me from hitting all sorts on things, and are sensitive enough to detect minor obstacles like long grass.