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Maybe SteamOS will help with this!
What do you mean? SteamOS is backed by a large company.
Bazzite Post-Mortem
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It's literally based on a 2 year old Ubuntu LTS... This is what I mean. It's very outdated.
So what’s your alternative?
For gaming specifically, I've heard good things about Nobara (dev is a RedHatter, though it's his personal project) and CachyOS.
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So what’s your alternative?
Bazzite or Cachy Mint won't even boot for me because it doesn't support my year old GPU (9070 XT). That's a huge miss when someone is looking at an OS primarily for gaming.
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#114Very nice of Bazzite to adopt Drama Tuesday. They are true gamers.
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#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
1. Being called an idiot or told my idea is dumb is not going to upset me. I guess I just have more emotional maturity than some OSS devs. 2. Why would I leave when I can just block you if you are harassing me? 3. Why are you inventing this hypothetical instead of just showing where that occurred? 4. No-one has said words don't have power. But being on the internet you should be able to recognize that you won't be fr…
> 1. Being called an idiot or told my idea is dumb is not going to upset me. I guess I just have more emotional maturity than some OSS devs. Alternatively, other people just have more respect for themselves (and others) than to stand to repeatedly be called an idiot.
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You said it yourself, "fuck snap." But Snap is the default for a bunch of things. There's probably someone else saying "fuck flatpak." The user doesn't win this way, it's not a feature.
Snap is Ubuntu and derivatives only which is a respectable but smaller segment of the options. It's also a fucking system daemon that runs in the background. Avoid. Flatpak is available on every distro.
Send Xorg to a nice farm too. Or Wayland. Whichever the bad one is. Competing window servers is a way bigger problem.
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>He said some mean words. I guarantee you I can say some mean words that would upset you at some point. If you have to repeatedly deal with it, you'd likely leave the space we share or ask someone to make me leave. Words have power, we shouldn't pretend otherwise.
1. Being called an idiot or told my idea is dumb is not going to upset me. I guess I just have more emotional maturity than some OSS devs. 2. Why would I leave when I can just block you if you are harassing me? 3. Why are you inventing this hypothetical instead of just showing where that occurred? 4. No-one has said words don't have power. But being on the internet you should be able to recognize that you won't be fr…
If you were involved with bazzite that was not necessarily an option. Hence why some people just elected to leave the project entirely, which is unfortunate to see because I’m sure some talented, contributing people are no longer making the project better.
Honestly I’m surprised that I need to explain the need for people to treat each other with basic decency and respect. Have you really never faced harassment that you couldn’t get away from without either leaving, their leaving, or external intervention?
Would you have the same laissez-faire attitude if I was harassing your partner or children? Would you simply tell them to not care about “mean words”? Should a coworker just be allowed to endlessly call you slurs at work?
Back to your questions: What hypothetical did I make up? Confused by that question and your first one. Those weren’t my examples (I gave none).
It’s one thing to deal with rude people online. It’s another when it’s when you’re at work, doing a hobby, or contributing your time and energy to an open source project. People shouldn’t be abused in general, however. Yes it is good to have thick skin but it doesn’t change the fact that if somebody behaves like that, they are ultimately in the wrong. I don’t know if he behaved as poorly as the bazzite team is claiming, but I’m not really here to litigate that. I just don’t love the idea of saying “just ignore mean words.” it’s flippant, unproductive, and downplays the power of words.
Re: Bazzite Post-Mortem
#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
Snaps are a Canonical thing and is only used by default on Ubuntu and distro's based on Ubuntu. No other distro uses or recommends them.
Those are the popular distros though. Switch to something else and you trade 1 problem for 10.
Professionally I've only ran into a handful of Ubuntu installs.
Dozens of SUSE
Hundreds of thousands of RHEL.
So if I wanted to help someone new, I wouldn't recommend Ubuntu because it would be somewhat of a dead end.
Fedora gives you familiarity with the largest deployed commercial Linux, while still getting the newest packages out there through either fedora yum or flatpak. Best of both worlds.
Re: Bazzite Post-Mortem
#119I get that the distribution is geared towards steam+proton usage, but I was disoriented to see that one creates "an operating system for gamers", which will most certainly run a lot of windows executables, and then won't include wine in it. There is lutris preinstalled and the documentation also hints towards installing winezgui from their appstore (which is what I did), but I wonder why wasn't that obvious for the developers of bazzite that after installing the system, user would just want to download a game, double click the executable and play.
On the other hand, wine tends to be quite heavy package (503MB installed size according to arch repo), perhaps that's the reason for not including it.
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#120man, i was JUST thinking about switching out windows for bazzite, because the only thing i use my windows machine for is video games... might need to hold off on that, as much as it pains me, with all the weird & sloppy updates windows is pushing out.
If you have normal hardware, something like like Fedora Kinoite should be mostly equivalent.