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How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are
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Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are
#112The problem with these threads is everybody wants to complain about Trump, but nobody wants to talk about policies that actually help buffer against the far-right. Eg implementing robust safety nets and low inequality, to reduce status anxiety and grievance. How many of you software engineers want to sign up for European-style welfare states and pay for them with high taxes? It's basically tragedy of the commons. htt…
> The problem with these threads is everybody wants to complain about Trump, but nobody wants to talk about policies that actually help buffer against the far-right. Eg implementing robust safety nets and low inequality, to reduce status anxiety and grievance. How many of you software engineers want to sign up for European-style welfare states and pay for them with high taxes? It's basically tragedy of the commons...
> Economics on its own is probably not sufficient either. You probably also need widespread unionization...
I think you're right about that.
> ...a Cordon Sanitaire, and probably German-style intelligence surveillance of the far-right too.
> Edit: Looking at the comments below you also need a MUCH better education system. FYI 99% of the time immigration is great for the economy, which is why the US has been wholesale accepting immigrants for a very long time.
You're getting off track there.
You also need a democratically responsive government. If the technocrats say "99% of the time immigration is great for the economy" and the people say "we don't want it, less immigration, please," what do you do? If you want a Trump, you say "shut up people, the technocrats say you're wrong, and you're going to get what they recommend good and hard." If you want to avoid a Trump in the future, you say, "OK, we'll tighten the border and reduce immigration quotas."
I don't care how smart or correct you are: if you can't make your case to the people and get your policy widespread popular support, it shouldn't be implemented in a democracy, end of story.
Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your original claim: > It’s understood ~60-ish percent of the pop want all aliens deported not only criminal aliens Your "evidence": > 56% to 62% of Americans support the deportation of all immigrants living in the U.S. illegally [emphasis added] You do realize that the polling does not support your original claim, right? That "illegally" bit is rather critical and, notably, missing in your original statement.
The subject is people who entered illegally or have remained past their visas. Illegal aliens under federal law. Outside of kooks, no one wants to deport legal residents. They may want to limit some form of migration but that’s not the question and that’s not what ICE are concerned with. It’s not even in their scope in any way.
A common technique used by illegal immigration sympathizers is to artfully conflate the two for argument's sake.
Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are
#114The problem with these threads is everybody wants to complain about Trump, but nobody wants to talk about policies that actually help buffer against the far-right. Eg implementing robust safety nets and low inequality, to reduce status anxiety and grievance. How many of you software engineers want to sign up for European-style welfare states and pay for them with high taxes? It's basically tragedy of the commons. htt…
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As far as I can tell, there's been "mass immigration" since before there was an "America". Colonial settlers in the 17th century, along with Africans taken against their will. Assorted European immigrants in the 18th, along with Asian laborers and Mexicans taken against their will. So on and so forth. There have always been "immigrants". The US and all the other countries in the Americas are immigrant nations.
Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are
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But by the same token - the obstruction of federal agents who are carrying out their lawful mandate was also in that same place. True, the implementation was messed up. Those unlawful deportation cases should have been the ones to protest. Not demonizing all of ICE or flying Mexican flags.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with flying Mexican flags. Americans fly flags of other countries all the time. There are English flags all over a nearby pub in my area. Heck, there is an entire national holiday for celebrating the Irish—a holiday for which the Defense Department made an exception to its policy of avoiding cultural observances. The overreach by the current administration is what is driving the volu…
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AFAIU, ICE is also deporting mostly criminals, no?
No. That is not the case. The majority of deportations are of non-criminals.
Non-convicted persons, not "non-criminals"
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325
Illegal entry is still a crime.
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What happened to enforcing the law on those who assaulted the Capitol?
Yeah exactly, if the US actually took its rule of law seriously, we won't be having this Trump problems because he'd be in prison for the rest of his life. Biden really dropped the ball here.
Yep, his administration took the worst possible approach by waiting so long only to bring these slow milquetoast prosecutions against trump. They should have gone after him and his accomplices immediately, but failing that doing nothing would have been better.
These weak prosecutions did nothing to stop trump and only caused republicans to rally around him.
Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are
#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
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As far as I can tell, there's been "mass immigration" since before there was an "America". Colonial settlers in the 17th century, along with Africans taken against their will. Assorted European immigrants in the 18th, along with Asian laborers and Mexicans taken against their will. So on and so forth. There have always been "immigrants". The US and all the other countries in the Americas are immigrant nations.
Way too many Dead Rabbits thinking they're Bowery Boys.
Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are
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laws need to be enforced. that's it. 90% of trump horror goes away with just that simple thing
What happened to enforcing the law on those who assaulted the Capitol?
it would have helped a lot ! we'd not have an insurrectionist as president, which is illegal!
Re: How ICE knows who Minneapolis protesters are
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If you're afraid of ICE agents, what are you doing in the area anyway?
Wut? You do realize that being in the presence of law enforcement officers is much different than the situation of being actively assaulted by them, right? For example, the other day I interacted with a few police officers in person by virtue of being tangentially-involved with a car crash. I laughed and joked with them, then went about my business. But if they had instead been surrounding me with guns drawn, it woul…
When driving towards a law enforcement officer, it is you assaulting them, not the other way around. Fleeing is against the law as well. Why did the woman attempt this? Ot, if it was so dangerous, what was she doing there?