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Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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post #23

One word of advice, don't do the automatic upgrade, do a full reinstall instead. After trying that for the last 5 or so releases. Always thinking that this time they fixed it. I'm not falling for that again. You'll see, as always, some reports of people saying they tried and it worked. But be careful, it's a trap!

I really don't understand why the upgrade seems to be so hit and miss between people. My current laptop has been on the same ubuntu install since (at least) 10.04. I've even upgraded to beta versions a couple of times and the only problem I've ever had was when I upgraded to the 12.10 beta and it ran out of disk space in the middle of the install. But that was recoverable. Of course, this comment might be a trap. The…

It's because the more customizations a user has done, the more likely they are have to have made a change that is incompatible with the upgrade process. It's the same for any OS. The only mitigation is to allow less customization of the files that get upgraded during an upgrade.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

#112

In the past month or two, I've come around on Unity after hiding out in gnome-session-fallback and then cinnamon. With the launch bar icons shrunk to their smallest size and Docky on the bottom, the Unity interface has gotten to the point where it's smooth and usable. Call me a convert, but I decided Unity has gotten to the point where it's easier to work with it than to keep trying to work against it.

Well, not quite the level of praise that "it's worth the hassle of installing", but "not worth the hassle of uninstalling" is worth something, I guess.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

#113
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want the option to opt out before I'm forcibly opted in and can possibly trigger the functionality. Even Windows 8 religiously asks you these questions at first boot after installation.

Windows 8 isn't gratis, you can complain but you can't demand anything from a free (as in gratis) product.

Can I demand, say, that a website doesn't install some virus/spamware/malware, even if it's free?

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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post #43

"includes Python 3.2.3 as standard" Won't this have any impact on existing python installers, designed to be used with python 2.x?

Obi says it best: "I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened."

Are individual users still dependent on python2 on the desktop? I thought people were supposed to migrate years ago, and automated tools did most of the work.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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post #74

[Unity] has received a number of additions, all built around the idea of demolishing the walls between local applications and web applications Here's the thing why Ubuntu is on shaky ground these days. The above idea is grand but like everything that tries to be the future of something—in this case computing—it leaks. And leaky things will never take off for real much like leaky abstractions will not hold because the…

This is pretty insightful, this bit in particular:

"Ubuntu suffers because it doesn't pay respect to its natural, physical environment that is a local computer. It can be a highly tuned system that takes the most out of your hardware or it can be an ethereal, ubiquitous cloud service that's available regardless of hardware. But not both."

Emphasis added there at the end.

My claim is that "we", folks who engineer software and create products, have made those software products indispensable to folks who never used to care about computers much less shell out money to own one. They never did want to buy a computer, they don't want to buy one now, what they want is the function that is provided by some app or collection of apps. These people want to follow tweets, or facebook, or chat, or see cat pictures, they buy computers to do that because they have to, not because they want to. What is worse, the 'computerness' of computers, their re-programability, their flexibility, causes more problems for these people than it solves. They want turn-key, instant on, instant off, tools.

And folks are making these tools for them, Chromebooks, and iPhones, and iPads, and Slates and Surfaces. They are marketed as tools that get a particular job done, not a universal tool. Can you imagine a power drill where you take the motor off and use it in your mixer, then take it off and use it in your desk fan, and then take it off and use it to pump water and wash your deck? No you get separate tools for those tasks, and they all have a motor in them but the motor isn't universal, its optimized for the tool. We are moving that way with processors. No more 'boot whatever you want' no more manuals describing the instruction set or peripherals, no more general purpose tool chains or operating systems. Processors designed to do one thing well like be a 'phone' with proprietary value added parts (like a GPU) and special instructions (like Jazelle) which you only get to know about if you agree to buy a million a month and design it into your specialized product.

The needs of an operating system for one of those devices is very much different than the needs for a programmer or developer's operating system. Sure they share some things in common (both render to a screen) but how or when they do that, and what API they use, those things are important to a developer but not to a tool/appliance user.

Yason is exactly correct that Ubuntu is standing astride this crevice while it widens underneath them. Soon, unless steps are taken, it may find itself neither fish nor fowl, an unacceptable environment to developers (too closed off) and to appliance users (too technical). Personally I'd love to see two distros in Desktop one is "End user" and one is "Developer" with very different design targets.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

#118
What is likely to be quicker/easier and the best decision in the long term ... Upgrading to 12.10 from 11.10 or moving to Linux Mint?

This is for my work machine which I run PHPStorm for web development, virtualbox for CS5 and Chrome and various other apps.

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

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post #102
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox: Nothing transmitted to Google until you perform a search. Unity: Nothing transmitted to Amazon until you perform a search Sure, I'm not agreeing with the default out of the box functionality, but other than the fact that user expectation is that a local search does not transmit information to remote servers (same issue as chrome's omnibox for typing URLs) it is exactly the same. But maybe Canonical should ma…

Utter crap. Have you actually tested this? i have! If I enter analyze.com in the address bar and stop at anal, nothing happens. Nothing is sent. If i enter analyse in the unity launcher and stop at anal, i get a nasty surprise and permanently get my ip address tagged with anal.

To be fair, I did say this was in Chrome where you get find-as-you-type results.

And secondly, your ip address is not logged. The data sent to Amazon is via Canonical and it's anonymised. If you don't trust Canonical, why are you concerned about using a distribution from them?

Edit: I'm not saying there is no problem and I'm fine with all of this. Just that I wish better arguments were put forward (I'd personally like the functionality made explicit during install/upgrade)

Re: Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal released

#120

One word of advice, don't do the automatic upgrade, do a full reinstall instead. After trying that for the last 5 or so releases. Always thinking that this time they fixed it. I'm not falling for that again. You'll see, as always, some reports of people saying they tried and it worked. But be careful, it's a trap!

Unfortunately you are right ... and I should have known better, because the update already failed once on me.

However, it seems it only deleted its EFI-Grub installation so it should be quite fixable.

But yes for an easier experience it seems that reinstalling normally proves a lot easier.

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