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2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by p_ing »

RiverCrochet wrote: post #96
Aurornis wrote: post #68

I did a clean install of Windows 11 when Windows 10 went EOL. From all of the complaints I was hearing from headlines I expected a disastrous experience. But to be honest, it’s been fine. I’m not a heavy user but I switch to the Windows PC at least once a day for a few hours of CAD, gaming, and one other engineering program that is Windows only. I don’t click any of the AI buttons. I declined the OneDrive or backup s…

Is it Win11 Pro? I'm wondering if it's different than Win11 Home. A friend of mine got a new PC as a present and it had Win11 on it. Found out it was Win11 Pro. I turned it on without it connected to my router, used the Shift+F10 trick to bypass OOBE and setup a local account, and ran a debloat script, and things seemed OK. The debloat script had removal commands for a lot of default apps and I think only the Xbox on…

> I used a .reg file to disable the new context menu.

Complaints about Win 11 performance abound. Brings back slow context menu.

The purpose of the new context menu is to get rid of the COM init that made it so slow!

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by ncr100 »

Aurornis wrote: post #68

I did a clean install of Windows 11 when Windows 10 went EOL. From all of the complaints I was hearing from headlines I expected a disastrous experience. But to be honest, it’s been fine. I’m not a heavy user but I switch to the Windows PC at least once a day for a few hours of CAD, gaming, and one other engineering program that is Windows only. I don’t click any of the AI buttons. I declined the OneDrive or backup s…

After long-term usage, my environment on MacOS (laptop issues mainly!!!) stutters and becomes less-usable. Perhaps Windows, or Linux, or JUST NO COMPUTER WHATSOEVER would be better?

MacOS is less for power users. On my Mac (macbook pro with Notch) I can no longer see menu-bar apps, since I have 11 icons up there which are not from Apple. The 12th / 13th are simply inaccessible. Added Tailscale this week .. Annnnnd it is not visible...sigh. Looking into purchasing "notch optimizer" apps, but am disgusted every time I restart searching for the right tool.

MacBook Pro is less for power users. The miniscule builtin RAM "because we use RAM so much more efficiently" is causing my machine to chug. I continue to feel pain, then search + find, and pound-down apps that use more RAM than I need at this moment.

It's like being a computer user in 1988. And I wish it were more like 2025. AAPL is ridiculously successful .. maximizing profits.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by duxup »

xg15 wrote: post #7

So. Nvidia abandons the gaming market, Microsoft abandons Windows and Google abandons Search, all because AI is supposedly more important. At some point it starts to feel like a drug for C-suites.

My youtube ads that I get are all fear about AI "You have to do this or you'll be out of a job!" and so on.

It's madness.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by p_ing »

orwin wrote: post #53
wtcactus wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hum. Windows has been ridden with bugs forever. I don’t see how this is connected to Microsoft abandoning windows in favor of AI. Windows code base is just too heavy to maintain. They need to break compatibility with older products like MacOS often does, so that Windows can be manageable again… but that goes against Microsoft philosophy it seems.

I only used Windows at work and for games in a VM, so take that with a grain of salt: Older Windows bugs seemed fair: mostly edge cases, weird UI interaction, or stuff that only came out under heavy workload (also, windows file system). This past few year, the bugs are incomprehensible. I understand non-professional versions are considered as Beta since Win10, but what it felt like is that Home version are actually a…

NT4 had many serious BSODs. SP6 was so problematic due to a critical bug in LSA that it was re-released as SP6a.

Windows bugs have moved more and more into the 'edge case' territory. Not that major issues don't crop up for "everyone" today, but BSODs used to be much more common. Part of that was due to the architecture, thus drivers, but the other side of it was core Windows functionality that just had bugs.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by pipes »

y-c-o-m-b wrote: post #99
milesvp wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s been fine? Are you completely immune to attention grabbing features? I absolutely cannot use win11 as it comes on a stock lenovo. Maybe you got your hands on some corporate version with some of the standard settings off? But between the news feed and the advertising in the start menu I find stock installs to he maddening, and I loath needing to boot my win11 partition.

I finally updated a couple of months ago after putting it off forever and it's been fine for me too. I'm on Pro version and I just used this as the first step after upgrading: https://github.com/Raphire/Win11Debloat No issues so far, no ads, none of the complaints others are seeing. I'm a power user too: I do gaming, programming, music production, video editing, etc. All of those things are fine. My only real problem…

The average home user probably won't know what power shell and GitHub are.

I can't run the scripts you are talking about on my work pc.

I can sympathise with your point of view but it does feel a bit like "works for me because I know what I'm doing". Also how long before another Windows update that undoes what the scripts do.

I used to be very pro windows simply because of backwards compatibility and hardware support was ridiculously good. I can't recommend Linux to relatives as they'd be utterly confused.

Dave Plummer, ex windows kernel dev does a good job of explaining what the issues are:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oTpA5jt1g60

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by p_ing »

slekker wrote: post #73
yoyohello13 wrote: post #20

Microsoft in 2025: We fired a bunch of engineers and mandated AI usage. 90% of our code is now generated by AI. Also Microsoft in 2025: Record setting bugs and anti-features released. Case study in code quantity is not equal to code quality.

To add they want to rewrite Windows in Rust with AI, which I can only assume they hope will keep the software quality up but I doubt it

It's unfortunate that falsehoods spread so quickly.

https://www.windowslatest.com/2025/12/24/microsoft-denies-re...

> “It appears my post generated far more attention than I intended… with a lot of speculative reading between the lines.. Just to clarify… Windows is NOT being rewritten in Rust with AI.

> My team’s project is a research project. [...]

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by Aurornis »

milesvp wrote: post #85
Aurornis wrote: post #68

I did a clean install of Windows 11 when Windows 10 went EOL. From all of the complaints I was hearing from headlines I expected a disastrous experience. But to be honest, it’s been fine. I’m not a heavy user but I switch to the Windows PC at least once a day for a few hours of CAD, gaming, and one other engineering program that is Windows only. I don’t click any of the AI buttons. I declined the OneDrive or backup s…

It’s been fine? Are you completely immune to attention grabbing features? I absolutely cannot use win11 as it comes on a stock lenovo. Maybe you got your hands on some corporate version with some of the standard settings off? But between the news feed and the advertising in the start menu I find stock installs to he maddening, and I loath needing to boot my win11 partition.

I didn’t run any scripts or utilities. When I encountered something I didn’t like I just found the setting to turn it off.

I prefer a clean system, but I’m not the kind of person who gets triggered into rage when the OS pops up a suggestion after fresh install or has something on by default. Spending some time customization the OS and desktop environment is part of the drill any time I do a clean install, whether it’s Windows, Linux, or Mac.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by tavavex »

autoexec wrote: post #109
mrbluecoat wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> even Notepad now has a Copilot button, which is something literally nobody has ever asked for AI is like crickets - some people like the sound, some ignore the sound, and some are driven crazy by the sound

I really hate what they've done to notepad. The entire point of the program was that it was extremely basic. There's zero reason to use it now over something much better like notepad++

The absolutely insane addition of the Copilot button aside, new Notepad did have some improvements that I liked. Tabs are one, but another overlooked feature is that it now keeps track of its state and maintains all the unsaved files that are open in it, allowing me to use it as a momentary place to jot down things that I want to remember but that I don't want to save in a txt file. Basically, like more full-fledged and convenient sticky notes.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by Aurornis »

antisthenes wrote: post #106
Aurornis wrote: post #68

I did a clean install of Windows 11 when Windows 10 went EOL. From all of the complaints I was hearing from headlines I expected a disastrous experience. But to be honest, it’s been fine. I’m not a heavy user but I switch to the Windows PC at least once a day for a few hours of CAD, gaming, and one other engineering program that is Windows only. I don’t click any of the AI buttons. I declined the OneDrive or backup s…

> I’m not a heavy user but I switch to the Windows PC at least once a day for a few hours of CAD, gaming, and one other engineering program that is Windows only. Well yeah, maybe lead with that. It seems like you don't actually need windows other than being a launcher for some very specific apps.

I use the OS for several hours per day for work. I don’t know what more you want.

I added that because this article is complaining about things like the built-in email client or Notepad, neither of which I use.

I bring my own text editor. I don’t care if Notepad has an AI button.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by p_ing »

autoexec wrote: post #109
mrbluecoat wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> even Notepad now has a Copilot button, which is something literally nobody has ever asked for AI is like crickets - some people like the sound, some ignore the sound, and some are driven crazy by the sound

I really hate what they've done to notepad. The entire point of the program was that it was extremely basic. There's zero reason to use it now over something much better like notepad++

Notepad has always been a test ground for new features that may or may not make it to other parts of Windows.

https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20180521-00/?p=98...

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