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Kohler Can Access Pictures from "End-to-End Encrypted" Toilet Camera

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Re: Kohler Can Access Pictures from "End-to-End Encrypted" Toilet Camera

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Post by g-b-r »

calebio wrote: post #60
kstrauser wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m pushing back on that one. I’ve been running websites since the ‘90s, and I’ve never heard E2EE used that way until very recently by vendors who, bluntly, want to lie about it.

It was pretty common to call client-side encryption/SSL "end to end encryption" among network engineers who were analyzing data flowing through their networks[0] as well as those who were implementing SSL/TLS into their applications[1]. The ends were the client and the server and the data was encrypted "end to end". The goal at that time was to prevent MITM snooping/attacks which were highly prevalent at the time. Pa…

I wasn't a network engineer, but to my recollection "end-to-end encryption" was only used occasionally, probably by people not too knowledgeable in cryptography

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Post by themafia »

joezydeco wrote: post #15
hackernudes wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They probably do clinical trials (or at least something like that) where they get baseline data from participants through other means.

I'm talking about sold units in the field.

The same thing we always do. Pay some citizens of an African nation a pitiful wage to just make up annotations.

Then you can incorporate this into a "health care product" and charge insurance companies insane rates on personal toilet cameras.

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Post by themafia »

mingus88 wrote: post #110
kstrauser wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know, obvious humor potential aside, that’s a great point. Fewer people would laugh about a pee analyzer: “Oh, it can tell if you’re dehydrated, or in ketosis, or whatever? Makes sense!” I can imagine how this could gather similar types of information. And yes, if my doctor wanted me to collect that info, I’d vastly rather buy a smart toilet and let it do the dirty work. That is, assuming it was actually secure.

Yeah I hate to kill the party but if you can’t imagine a need for this product, consider yourself blessed. GI issues are not pleasant. An ADA toilet at Home Depot is $300 so even the price isn’t that outrageous, honestly. It’s a unique niche product so it’s gonna be a little bit pricey. I don’t know, it just feels a bit gauche to make jokes about a medical device. Nobody’s buying this unless they need it, and if they…

It's the idea of buying it that's nonsensical. I'm not sure how you could realistically use this thing long term. Someone has to sort through the data, spot trends, and offer competent advice. Presumably once you have your diet under control then there is no further need of this bowl level analysis.

If you continue to have GI issues anyways, perhaps due to genetic causes, then what is constant surveillance of the situation -- at $7,200/year -- going to improve?

Re: Kohler Can Access Pictures from "End-to-End Encrypted" Toilet Camera

#114

Post by cindyllm »

themafia wrote: post #113
mingus88 wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I hate to kill the party but if you can’t imagine a need for this product, consider yourself blessed. GI issues are not pleasant. An ADA toilet at Home Depot is $300 so even the price isn’t that outrageous, honestly. It’s a unique niche product so it’s gonna be a little bit pricey. I don’t know, it just feels a bit gauche to make jokes about a medical device. Nobody’s buying this unless they need it, and if they…

It's the idea of buying it that's nonsensical. I'm not sure how you could realistically use this thing long term. Someone has to sort through the data, spot trends, and offer competent advice. Presumably once you have your diet under control then there is no further need of this bowl level analysis. If you continue to have GI issues anyways, perhaps due to genetic causes, then what is constant surveillance of the sit…

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Post by venturecruelty »

schmuckonwheels wrote: post #49

Imagine the collective brainpower that could be used to help solve the world's ills, and instead decided, no, what we need is a camera pointed at your asshole which we feed into an AI-powered SaaS we can then sell to you for a subscription. This industry is finished.

This is downstream from the notion that companies need to have infinite growth forever. Of course, that's not possible, so this is the end stages of that: wealth trickles up while the, well... you can guess what's trickling down.

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Post by venturecruelty »

joezydeco wrote: post #7

How does one "train" an AI with a flood of random toilet pictures and no corresponding medical data to match it with?

You pay someone in a developing nation $1.00 per day to look at thousands of photos of shit. Like, how do people think Facebook moderation and semantic labeling happen? Cheap labor in places with no labor laws. It was ever thus.

Re: Kohler Can Access Pictures from "End-to-End Encrypted" Toilet Camera

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Post by venturecruelty »

kstrauser wrote: post #100
mingus88 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People who have clinical gut issues need to track this kind of thing And people who are being treated for gut issues can pay for their $600 medical toilet with HSA or insurance Honestly, that this camera toilet exists is not a WTF for me. If my doctor needs to track changes to my stool, I certainly don’t want to have to hover over the bowl with my phone out. Please, just have the toilet take the picture.

You know, obvious humor potential aside, that’s a great point. Fewer people would laugh about a pee analyzer: “Oh, it can tell if you’re dehydrated, or in ketosis, or whatever? Makes sense!” I can imagine how this could gather similar types of information. And yes, if my doctor wanted me to collect that info, I’d vastly rather buy a smart toilet and let it do the dirty work. That is, assuming it was actually secure.

Assuming you're appropriately sighted, you don't need a $600 toilet cam to tell you if you're dehydrated.

Re: Kohler Can Access Pictures from "End-to-End Encrypted" Toilet Camera

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Post by venturecruelty »

mingus88 wrote: post #110
kstrauser wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know, obvious humor potential aside, that’s a great point. Fewer people would laugh about a pee analyzer: “Oh, it can tell if you’re dehydrated, or in ketosis, or whatever? Makes sense!” I can imagine how this could gather similar types of information. And yes, if my doctor wanted me to collect that info, I’d vastly rather buy a smart toilet and let it do the dirty work. That is, assuming it was actually secure.

Yeah I hate to kill the party but if you can’t imagine a need for this product, consider yourself blessed. GI issues are not pleasant. An ADA toilet at Home Depot is $300 so even the price isn’t that outrageous, honestly. It’s a unique niche product so it’s gonna be a little bit pricey. I don’t know, it just feels a bit gauche to make jokes about a medical device. Nobody’s buying this unless they need it, and if they…

Which GI issues are currently only medically manageable with a camera in your toilet bowl, and how were people managing them before?

Re: Kohler Can Access Pictures from "End-to-End Encrypted" Toilet Camera

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Post by venturecruelty »

duskdozer wrote: post #99
jmonty900 wrote: post #83

Kohler can "de-identify [the user’s] data for lawful purposes." I mean exactly how would that ever be justified? "Hey, we see a man-sized log in the bowl. There's only supposed to be women there. The perp must be in that house!!!"

IP address, device identifier, mother's maiden name, SSN, etc etc

You mean the I-Pee address? Sorry, y'all, I gotta get it out in this thread, it's too easy.

Re: Kohler Can Access Pictures from "End-to-End Encrypted" Toilet Camera

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Post by venturecruelty »

jimt1234 wrote: post #73

Years ago, a friend and I were kicking around startup ideas. We weren't coming up with anything good, so we flipped it and decided to come up with the worst/dumbest idea possible. We landed on a social media site dedicated to poop (this was back when social media sites were all the rage). People could upload pictures of their poop, discuss poop, share "best poop" stories, and so on. We never actually built anything,…

Look on the bright side: you can tell people you were simply ahead of your time!
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