France is taking state actions against GrapheneOS?

Post by hirako2000 » Mon, Nov 24, 2025, 4:50 PM UTC

mmooss wrote: post #106

betaby wrote: post #104

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Then the law enforcement knocks the door it's already too late. Those articles is the intimidation tactics for now. > People can write politically motivated things on HN too. Sure, and that would be a problem if that was 1) targeted and 2) originated from the people with connections.

Do you have evidence of this conspiracy between these French newspaper owners, editors, and writers, and the French government?

Post by ipaddr » Mon, Nov 24, 2025, 5:45 PM UTC

thrance wrote: post #94

4ndrewl wrote: post #3

The newspaper article referenced contains insinuation (linking GrapheneOS to the darkweb, criminal gangs etc), and unnamed sources quoting a police investigation. But that sort of thing sells newspapers. There didn't appear to be anything about the French state taking specific action (eg passing a law) against Graphene.

Can confirm, this is nothing but more scaremongering from right-wing rags: Le Figaro and Le Parisien , both owned by right-wing oligarchs (Dassault and Arnault respectively) trying to fuel this climate of fear to further their economic interests by getting a right-wing demagogue elected. Both papers are caught lying all the time, like Fox News. You shouldn't be taking this seriously. What you should take seriously th…

Post by whatshisface » Mon, Nov 24, 2025, 5:58 PM UTC

lovich wrote: post #45

max_ wrote: post #19

This hostility towards privacy all over the world signals that there is a co-ordinated change happening in the world. Unfortunately we still don't know what it is or what its goals are.

Personally I’ve grown hostile to the concept of anonymous speech but I readily admit that I can’t imagine a way to deanonymize without also losing privacy as most people describe it. Anonymous posters like what looks like a troll bot that the GrapheneOS account is arguing with have flooded the zone with so much noise its fracturing society imo

Post by workfromspace » Mon, Nov 24, 2025, 11:57 PM UTC

thrance wrote: post #117

ipaddr wrote: post #114

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Don't get trapped by right or left they are all owned by oligarchs trying to push or pull the public towards some agenda that benefits them, sometimes other oligarchs but rarely you. The crime is down stat is a political stat that doesn't tell you are safer. It could mean police are not going after small crimes or people just stop reporting them or they are classified differently. It could say money spent on law enfo…

I don't know of any left-wing oligarchs. That almost sounds like an oxymoron. Don't get trapped in bothsideism or enlightened centrism, one sides is that much more aggressive with the lies and hate. As for the crime stat, you can always control for such things, to an extent. If we can't trust the official statistics office, then what should we base our policies off? Vibes? There are certainly things to improve with h…

Post by nickpp » Thu, Nov 27, 2025, 5:34 PM UTC

thrance wrote: post #119

workfromspace wrote: post #118

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Forgive me if I'm working but I thought all the socialist/communist/marxist country leaders and their friends were left oligarchs by definition?

No, they're dictators. And I don't know of many of them owning TV channels or newspapers in France, which is what we were talking about. There is no left-wing oligarch, because this is nonsensical. You can't have billionaires spending millions into influencing public opinion towards aggressive wealth redistribution. Those people don't exist.