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Facebook Wants You To Snitch On Friends Not Using Their Real Name

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What Facebook and Google+ gain in politesse, they lose in depth and honesty. I can't assume I'll be held "accountable" in a just way by every prospective employer, apartment manager, or lover I'll ever meet, so these venues get empty pleasantries from me, certainly nothing controversial in any way.

Now imagine a whole generation socializing under these artificial restrictions. Can you imagine how stifling being raised under an umbrella of constant surveillance by your peer group, family, future employers and advertisers would be to your personality and relationships? We're developing a society of sociopatic egotists.

You can tune Facebook's privacy settings to whatever you want. So you don't need to share everything to everybody.

Re: Facebook Wants You To Snitch On Friends Not Using Their Real Name

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post #67

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What Facebook and Google+ gain in politesse, they lose in depth and honesty. I can't assume I'll be held "accountable" in a just way by every prospective employer, apartment manager, or lover I'll ever meet, so these venues get empty pleasantries from me, certainly nothing controversial in any way.

Now imagine a whole generation socializing under these artificial restrictions. Can you imagine how stifling being raised under an umbrella of constant surveillance by your peer group, family, future employers and advertisers would be to your personality and relationships? We're developing a society of sociopatic egotists.

That would possibly be true if people had no other way to socialize. Just because Facebook exists doesn't mean that older ways of communicating have all died; the real world is still real, and you can talk in it.

Re: Facebook Wants You To Snitch On Friends Not Using Their Real Name

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You'd make a great persecutor in a totally liberal regime. Honestly, I don't think that. But could you try to focus on the argument and not the person? Your ad hominem attack has contributed nothing - just like my first sentence contributed nothing either!

It came out as an ad hominem but what I said does attack the argument. Karunamon puts the rule of law above all other considerations, and that's a bad position to hold. People better their lives every day by breaking laws, and when laws at senseless and when your action is not hurting anyone, then breaking the law should be considered as a real option. Let's take illegal immigration. Yes, there is legal immigration,…

>Karunamon puts the rule of law above all other considerations

What the everloving hell is that supposed to mean? Don't fucking join the service if the rules bother you - that too is an option.

It seems a lot of people want to have their cake and eat it too though, It takes some level of arrogance to say "Screw it all, I'm going to do it this way, ToS be damned", then get caught breaking those rules and suspended or somesuch, and then complain that the suspension happened.

Do not join $service if the rules of $service are offputting to you. That applies to every service ever made on the internet or real life. It applies to Facebook, G+, App, Twitter, a church, a discount club, or quite literally any other service.

Furthermore, if you join $service, and your account has action taken against it for breaking the rules you agreed to and said you would follow, you shouldn't complain. You did lie about the whole "I will follow the rules" thing.

Rule of law is a different matter than the terms of service for a web app. Breaking laws in real life has a great deal more negative consequences that getting your Facebook account deleted. One of these things is relatively minor, one is not.

Re: Facebook Wants You To Snitch On Friends Not Using Their Real Name

#114

In Mexico, bloggers are disemboweled and strung up from bridges as a warning to others, by cartels. In Syria, government snipers murdered bloggers to silence them. In China, bloggers are imprisoned at hard labor. In the United States, the Federalist Papers were released anonymously in order to protect the lives of their authors. It is only the spoiled, rich and free countries who make such naive and irresponsible sta…

Great post. I am in South Korea. I could be imprisoned for the the things I have written here about Samsung and their owning family.

Re: Facebook Wants You To Snitch On Friends Not Using Their Real Name

#115
post #21

Enforcing real names has pros and cons. For Facebook as a business, the pros certainly outweigh the value lost when accounts can't be mapped directly to real people. Names are a key part of that mapping. In general, I prefer an option for pseudonymity, because it is much more inclusive (allowing certain people at the fringes to feel more comfortable joining in -- victims of abuse, political dissidents, etc), and is m…

What Facebook and Google+ gain in politesse, they lose in depth and honesty. I can't assume I'll be held "accountable" in a just way by every prospective employer, apartment manager, or lover I'll ever meet, so these venues get empty pleasantries from me, certainly nothing controversial in any way.

>so these venues get empty pleasantries from me, certainly nothing controversial in any way.

Is nobody familiar with the privacy settings? Facebook has lists, G+ has circles. One for family, one for acquaintances, one for close friends, one for business. Guess who gets to see the pictures from the house party and who doesn't?

Re: Facebook Wants You To Snitch On Friends Not Using Their Real Name

#116

In Mexico, bloggers are disemboweled and strung up from bridges as a warning to others, by cartels. In Syria, government snipers murdered bloggers to silence them. In China, bloggers are imprisoned at hard labor. In the United States, the Federalist Papers were released anonymously in order to protect the lives of their authors. It is only the spoiled, rich and free countries who make such naive and irresponsible sta…

Wouldn't an even better question be: how do we build the kind of society where people can express their thoughts attached to their names without fear of reprisal?

Re: Facebook Wants You To Snitch On Friends Not Using Their Real Name

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post #25
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That's a good example, but there are countless reasons why people cannot safely use their legal names in places like Facebook. They can elect not to participate, and Facebook can elect to prohibit them. Neither party really suffers any material damage, but it does frustrate some decent people.

I'd argue that people do suffer material damage by being blocked from using Facebook.

Being turned down for jobs for not having a Facebook account: http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/109ipi/no_faceboo...

Re: Facebook Wants You To Snitch On Friends Not Using Their Real Name

#118

In Mexico, bloggers are disemboweled and strung up from bridges as a warning to others, by cartels. In Syria, government snipers murdered bloggers to silence them. In China, bloggers are imprisoned at hard labor. In the United States, the Federalist Papers were released anonymously in order to protect the lives of their authors. It is only the spoiled, rich and free countries who make such naive and irresponsible sta…

Wouldn't an even better question be: how do we build the kind of society where people can express their thoughts attached to their names without fear of reprisal?

The way forward, in my view, is not acceptance, but a complete separation of individuals and ideas.

Re: Facebook Wants You To Snitch On Friends Not Using Their Real Name

#119

I have been on online networks of one kind or another since 1992. I am 100 percent behind the idea that people using their real names (the rule of some networks I have been on) promotes better online community and people taking more responsibility for their personal behavior in the community. That said, I do have some friends who have long established pseudonyms that have most of the good effects of real names, becau…

> I am 100 percent behind the idea that people using their real names (the rule of some networks I have been on) promotes better online community

That's funny, since hard evidence for that idea is pretty thin on the ground. I really don't think it is a good idea given that it can do a lot of harm http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Who_is_harmed_by_a_%22Rea...

> That said, I do have some friends who have long established pseudonyms that have most of the good effects of real names

Which good effects of real names do long established pseudonyms lack?

Also, would you be happy to put your real name on your reply here?

Re: Facebook Wants You To Snitch On Friends Not Using Their Real Name

#120

In Mexico, bloggers are disemboweled and strung up from bridges as a warning to others, by cartels. In Syria, government snipers murdered bloggers to silence them. In China, bloggers are imprisoned at hard labor. In the United States, the Federalist Papers were released anonymously in order to protect the lives of their authors. It is only the spoiled, rich and free countries who make such naive and irresponsible sta…

Wouldn't an even better question be: how do we build the kind of society where people can express their thoughts attached to their names without fear of reprisal?

Yes, but that's going to take 100+ years. It's is not an argument in favour of real names only, today.
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