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What Facebook and Google+ gain in politesse, they lose in depth and honesty. I can't assume I'll be held "accountable" in a just way by every prospective employer, apartment manager, or lover I'll ever meet, so these venues get empty pleasantries from me, certainly nothing controversial in any way.
Now imagine a whole generation socializing under these artificial restrictions. Can you imagine how stifling being raised under an umbrella of constant surveillance by your peer group, family, future employers and advertisers would be to your personality and relationships? We're developing a society of sociopatic egotists.
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#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
What Facebook and Google+ gain in politesse, they lose in depth and honesty. I can't assume I'll be held "accountable" in a just way by every prospective employer, apartment manager, or lover I'll ever meet, so these venues get empty pleasantries from me, certainly nothing controversial in any way.
Now imagine a whole generation socializing under these artificial restrictions. Can you imagine how stifling being raised under an umbrella of constant surveillance by your peer group, family, future employers and advertisers would be to your personality and relationships? We're developing a society of sociopatic egotists.
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
You'd make a great persecutor in a totally liberal regime. Honestly, I don't think that. But could you try to focus on the argument and not the person? Your ad hominem attack has contributed nothing - just like my first sentence contributed nothing either!
It came out as an ad hominem but what I said does attack the argument. Karunamon puts the rule of law above all other considerations, and that's a bad position to hold. People better their lives every day by breaking laws, and when laws at senseless and when your action is not hurting anyone, then breaking the law should be considered as a real option. Let's take illegal immigration. Yes, there is legal immigration,…
What the everloving hell is that supposed to mean? Don't fucking join the service if the rules bother you - that too is an option.
It seems a lot of people want to have their cake and eat it too though, It takes some level of arrogance to say "Screw it all, I'm going to do it this way, ToS be damned", then get caught breaking those rules and suspended or somesuch, and then complain that the suspension happened.
Do not join $service if the rules of $service are offputting to you. That applies to every service ever made on the internet or real life. It applies to Facebook, G+, App, Twitter, a church, a discount club, or quite literally any other service.
Furthermore, if you join $service, and your account has action taken against it for breaking the rules you agreed to and said you would follow, you shouldn't complain. You did lie about the whole "I will follow the rules" thing.
Rule of law is a different matter than the terms of service for a web app. Breaking laws in real life has a great deal more negative consequences that getting your Facebook account deleted. One of these things is relatively minor, one is not.
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#114In Mexico, bloggers are disemboweled and strung up from bridges as a warning to others, by cartels. In Syria, government snipers murdered bloggers to silence them. In China, bloggers are imprisoned at hard labor. In the United States, the Federalist Papers were released anonymously in order to protect the lives of their authors. It is only the spoiled, rich and free countries who make such naive and irresponsible sta…
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#115Enforcing real names has pros and cons. For Facebook as a business, the pros certainly outweigh the value lost when accounts can't be mapped directly to real people. Names are a key part of that mapping. In general, I prefer an option for pseudonymity, because it is much more inclusive (allowing certain people at the fringes to feel more comfortable joining in -- victims of abuse, political dissidents, etc), and is m…
What Facebook and Google+ gain in politesse, they lose in depth and honesty. I can't assume I'll be held "accountable" in a just way by every prospective employer, apartment manager, or lover I'll ever meet, so these venues get empty pleasantries from me, certainly nothing controversial in any way.
Is nobody familiar with the privacy settings? Facebook has lists, G+ has circles. One for family, one for acquaintances, one for close friends, one for business. Guess who gets to see the pictures from the house party and who doesn't?
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#116In Mexico, bloggers are disemboweled and strung up from bridges as a warning to others, by cartels. In Syria, government snipers murdered bloggers to silence them. In China, bloggers are imprisoned at hard labor. In the United States, the Federalist Papers were released anonymously in order to protect the lives of their authors. It is only the spoiled, rich and free countries who make such naive and irresponsible sta…
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#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's a good example, but there are countless reasons why people cannot safely use their legal names in places like Facebook. They can elect not to participate, and Facebook can elect to prohibit them. Neither party really suffers any material damage, but it does frustrate some decent people.
I'd argue that people do suffer material damage by being blocked from using Facebook.
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#118In Mexico, bloggers are disemboweled and strung up from bridges as a warning to others, by cartels. In Syria, government snipers murdered bloggers to silence them. In China, bloggers are imprisoned at hard labor. In the United States, the Federalist Papers were released anonymously in order to protect the lives of their authors. It is only the spoiled, rich and free countries who make such naive and irresponsible sta…
Wouldn't an even better question be: how do we build the kind of society where people can express their thoughts attached to their names without fear of reprisal?
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#119I have been on online networks of one kind or another since 1992. I am 100 percent behind the idea that people using their real names (the rule of some networks I have been on) promotes better online community and people taking more responsibility for their personal behavior in the community. That said, I do have some friends who have long established pseudonyms that have most of the good effects of real names, becau…
That's funny, since hard evidence for that idea is pretty thin on the ground. I really don't think it is a good idea given that it can do a lot of harm http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Who_is_harmed_by_a_%22Rea...
> That said, I do have some friends who have long established pseudonyms that have most of the good effects of real names
Which good effects of real names do long established pseudonyms lack?
Also, would you be happy to put your real name on your reply here?
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#120In Mexico, bloggers are disemboweled and strung up from bridges as a warning to others, by cartels. In Syria, government snipers murdered bloggers to silence them. In China, bloggers are imprisoned at hard labor. In the United States, the Federalist Papers were released anonymously in order to protect the lives of their authors. It is only the spoiled, rich and free countries who make such naive and irresponsible sta…
Wouldn't an even better question be: how do we build the kind of society where people can express their thoughts attached to their names without fear of reprisal?