Why are we asking for profits companies to fight our fights? I am reading lots of comments from keyboard warriors. For profits companies are not there to fight citizens fights. You don't want this kind of stuff to happen, then people need to fight their governments and demand better and stop relying on for profits entities to do so.
Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ
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Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ
#112FWIW, everyone who claims that Apple fundamentally needs the centralized ability to control apps on their platforms "for everyone's safety" -- despite how that obviously and repeatedly makes them become patsies for governments all over the world to enforce their censorship regimes -- are complicit in this stuff (in addition, of course, to the people who build it at Apple...).
It’s a shame too, because Apple has the money and brand wherewithal to fight the government. See the FBI vs Apple stuff that happened years ago. That actually won them some real converts. Capitulating over this is Apple showing their supposed core values have significantly hollowed
Why would you expect Apple to fight the same administration that it has been prostrating itself for both this term and the last term?
Apple hasn’t had any values aside from its bottom line since Cook took over.
Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ
#113Why are we asking for profits companies to fight our fights? I am reading lots of comments from keyboard warriors. For profits companies are not there to fight citizens fights. You don't want this kind of stuff to happen, then people need to fight their governments and demand better and stop relying on for profits entities to do so.
> Why are we asking for profits companies to fight our fights?
Why not? If you can pressure someone into fighting your fight for you, you do it.
Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ
#114Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ
#115FWIW, everyone who claims that Apple fundamentally needs the centralized ability to control apps on their platforms "for everyone's safety" -- despite how that obviously and repeatedly makes them become patsies for governments all over the world to enforce their censorship regimes -- are complicit in this stuff (in addition, of course, to the people who build it at Apple...).
> are complicit in this stuff I don’t know that that is fair. This framing is designed to shame people into feeling guilty for their point of view, rather than their actions. Being complicit means to be knowingly involved in or facilitating an illegal or wrongdoing act. In my books, it requires a level of participation that I don’t think your characterization meets.
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#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree with you, but can we stop calling installing software on the hardware you own "sideloading"?
Yeah, we should just ironically lean into it even harder and call it “backdooring”. Jokes aside, when has pandering to people to change the status quo of colloquial word use ever worked?
Well, obviously changing "installing software" to "sideloading" worked somehow.
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#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn’t Apple mostly interested in making more money, though, instead of spending money? The way I see it of all the top tech giants, Apple has the most to lose with all the tariff shenanigans, so it’s in their [shareholders] interest to stay friends with the current administration. Apple has never had moral values other than earning money by making great products. And I say this as someone who is deeply embedded in th…
I am an Apple shareholder. My Apple shareholder interest is for Apple to preserve its reputation in the long term, including when Trump is long gone. Please stop repeating this "shareholders only care about short-term money" idea.
And the number of shares you personally own is irrelevant. The only public companies that ever take long term bets are those that are still founder led.
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s a shame too, because Apple has the money and brand wherewithal to fight the government. See the FBI vs Apple stuff that happened years ago. That actually won them some real converts. Capitulating over this is Apple showing their supposed core values have significantly hollowed
I wish Steve was still around for these battles. Tim Cook is such a pussy.
It was Steve who decided to make the iphones like this.
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#119Methinks this won’t be the last politically-motivated removal from Apple’s App Store; the more apps they remove then the more they weaken their own arguments about how a locked-in walled garden is in consumer interests.
Apple removed a lot of apps from the store in order to stay present in Russia.
Just business
Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ
#120FWIW, everyone who claims that Apple fundamentally needs the centralized ability to control apps on their platforms "for everyone's safety" -- despite how that obviously and repeatedly makes them become patsies for governments all over the world to enforce their censorship regimes -- are complicit in this stuff (in addition, of course, to the people who build it at Apple...).
> are complicit in this stuff I don’t know that that is fair. This framing is designed to shame people into feeling guilty for their point of view, rather than their actions. Being complicit means to be knowingly involved in or facilitating an illegal or wrongdoing act. In my books, it requires a level of participation that I don’t think your characterization meets.
> This framing is designed to shame people into feeling guilty for their point of view, rather than their actions.
Having a point of view and then using that point of view to make public claims, often counter-claims in face of precisely this type of criticism, is an action. Examples are easily found on this forum.
> or wrongdoing act
Which includes simple dishonesty.