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Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

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Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

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Post by no_wizard »

saurik wrote: post #8

FWIW, everyone who claims that Apple fundamentally needs the centralized ability to control apps on their platforms "for everyone's safety" -- despite how that obviously and repeatedly makes them become patsies for governments all over the world to enforce their censorship regimes -- are complicit in this stuff (in addition, of course, to the people who build it at Apple...).

It’s a shame too, because Apple has the money and brand wherewithal to fight the government. See the FBI vs Apple stuff that happened years ago. That actually won them some real converts.

Capitulating over this is Apple showing their supposed core values have significantly hollowed

Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

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Post by sidewndr46 »

sandworm101 wrote: post #14

This is the problem with the modern "app" way of doing things. This sort of thing would be best handled as a website so that users need not run specific software on thier phones. Reports can come in as basic emails parsed for a lat/long or grid. Then a kml file can be pushed as needed to a basic web-facing map. The bandwidth would be minimal and very resistant to shutdown. Heck, share the kml files via torrents or pu…

The DOJ would just have the website host, the ISP, or the domain registrar revoke and terminate everything

Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

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Post by komali2 »

rpdillon wrote: post #17

As soon as incentives start to diverge, centralized app stores look less benevolent.

Which is why people going back and forth about incentives has always driven me nuts. Attempting to make assurances based on this handle we crank called "human incentive" that may map to human behavior in the expected direction, the opposite direction, or no direction at all, is madness! We don't know. Humans are unsolved.

Give me guarantees, or the closest approximation. Federation, distribution, dispersion of authority, interoperability.

Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

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Post by tdeck »

sidewndr46 wrote: post #22
sandworm101 wrote: post #14

This is the problem with the modern "app" way of doing things. This sort of thing would be best handled as a website so that users need not run specific software on thier phones. Reports can come in as basic emails parsed for a lat/long or grid. Then a kml file can be pushed as needed to a basic web-facing map. The bandwidth would be minimal and very resistant to shutdown. Heck, share the kml files via torrents or pu…

The DOJ would just have the website host, the ISP, or the domain registrar revoke and terminate everything

In practice this seems much more difficult to do than going after the app in the app store, particularly if you choose your registrar and hosting provider carefully.

Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

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Post by PokestarFan »

no_wizard wrote: post #21
saurik wrote: post #8

FWIW, everyone who claims that Apple fundamentally needs the centralized ability to control apps on their platforms "for everyone's safety" -- despite how that obviously and repeatedly makes them become patsies for governments all over the world to enforce their censorship regimes -- are complicit in this stuff (in addition, of course, to the people who build it at Apple...).

It’s a shame too, because Apple has the money and brand wherewithal to fight the government. See the FBI vs Apple stuff that happened years ago. That actually won them some real converts. Capitulating over this is Apple showing their supposed core values have significantly hollowed

It was obvious Apple was going to bend the knee with that gold plaque.

Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

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Post by covercash »

no_wizard wrote: post #21
saurik wrote: post #8

FWIW, everyone who claims that Apple fundamentally needs the centralized ability to control apps on their platforms "for everyone's safety" -- despite how that obviously and repeatedly makes them become patsies for governments all over the world to enforce their censorship regimes -- are complicit in this stuff (in addition, of course, to the people who build it at Apple...).

It’s a shame too, because Apple has the money and brand wherewithal to fight the government. See the FBI vs Apple stuff that happened years ago. That actually won them some real converts. Capitulating over this is Apple showing their supposed core values have significantly hollowed

I wish Steve was still around for these battles. Tim Cook is such a pussy.

Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

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Post by stingraycharles »

no_wizard wrote: post #21
saurik wrote: post #8

FWIW, everyone who claims that Apple fundamentally needs the centralized ability to control apps on their platforms "for everyone's safety" -- despite how that obviously and repeatedly makes them become patsies for governments all over the world to enforce their censorship regimes -- are complicit in this stuff (in addition, of course, to the people who build it at Apple...).

It’s a shame too, because Apple has the money and brand wherewithal to fight the government. See the FBI vs Apple stuff that happened years ago. That actually won them some real converts. Capitulating over this is Apple showing their supposed core values have significantly hollowed

Isn’t Apple mostly interested in making more money, though, instead of spending money?

The way I see it of all the top tech giants, Apple has the most to lose with all the tariff shenanigans, so it’s in their [shareholders] interest to stay friends with the current administration.

Apple has never had moral values other than earning money by making great products.

And I say this as someone who is deeply embedded in the Apple ecosystem.

Re: Apple takes down ICE tracking apps after pressure from DOJ

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Post by ivape »

covercash wrote: post #28
no_wizard wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a shame too, because Apple has the money and brand wherewithal to fight the government. See the FBI vs Apple stuff that happened years ago. That actually won them some real converts. Capitulating over this is Apple showing their supposed core values have significantly hollowed

I wish Steve was still around for these battles. Tim Cook is such a pussy.

Steve was never tested like this was he? Everyone’s about values until they are put into a fucked up situation like Tim Cook. The man had to literally deliver a Roman tribute to this president personally.
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