Ahhhh I've been waiting so long for this. SES is the last thing I have to keep logging into the clumsy AWS UI for
Cloudflare Email Service: private beta
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Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta
#112Eventually all Internet protocols will be MITMed by cloudflare. Your single point of interception!
And then they'll offer to 'protect' you from AI scrapers for a fee and then bulk negotiate against Google, etc for another fee.
and then capture the data on the sly and sell it to the AI scrapers anyway
Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a myth though (with some truth to it in certain cases). I've run my own mail infrastructure since 1999, no issues.
I suspect if you shared more info about your mail infrastructure, it might reveal that what is working for you is too complicated for 99.9% of people to set up and maintain themselves.
I don't think the goal is that every non technical person can host their own mail infra.
But most people who can run a server should be able to setup OpenSMTPd with the DKIM filter and Dovecot. It's much easier than configuring postfix like we had to do in the past.
To answer a sibling comment, the last time I received an answer is a few minutes ago. The correspondent's email infra is hosted by Google.
Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta
#114Kind of off-topic, but it's such a pity that we arrived at email as the local minimum for the best communication protocol for transactional messages. Having to set up an email service just to be able to enable authentication flows on a new website is such a hindrance that I keep wondering if it would be different if sending push notifications to a cell phone was made an open protocol..
I hear your pain. However I think if you really look at it email is a good thing. Its brokenness is a highly desired feature. It is the last generally accepted tech bastion that keeps us from becoming some sort of always on the job star trek borg style creatures that cannot have plausible deniability that the computer failed.
Oh i didn't get that email.
Oh spam filter.
Oh so backlogged on email.
Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
A lot of folks find SES or even just the broader AWS experience unpleasant.
Oh sure, a nice emailing experience (compared with SES) seems positive. But there are negative comments like Cloudflare shipping this is net negative, so just trying to understand the context.
The negatives are probably around the fact that Cloudflare is soon to be the master of the web (80/443)
If they launch an email service and are as successful, they could become the master of the email (25/465)
So soon, they'll be the master of the entire Internet
To be clear: I don't share this view, in part because Google and Microsoft already are the masters of the email
Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta
#116WTF Cloudflare you are using a google form for the beta sign up? Sign up to the waitlist here. https://forms.gle/BX6ECfkar3oVLQxs7 Edit: I see its an email sending service not client.
To be clear, Cloudflare Email Service is not a full-blown email provider like Fastmail, nor is it even comparable to email services like AWS SES or SendGrid. Cloudflare already offered email routing and Cloudflare Email Service just adds the ability to send email via Cloudflare Workers, so there’s a long way to go before Cloudflare could be an option for replacing Fastmail.
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#117> Now, sending an email is as easy as adding a binding to a Worker and calling send
I hope it's easier to setup then the current mess of needing to use Wrangler to setup the send_mail binding the CF worker console can't even show in its binding list.
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Sendgrid recently killed their free tier (100 emails per day) and their lowest plan is now $20/month for 50,000 emails. It's totally overkill for low traffic projects. With a pricing structure like that it appears they became too tired of verifying/validating users to not send spam. Unfortunately I don't blame them.
$10/year for 10,000 messages/year is 10 cents per message. (Or some other volume at 10 cents/message.) Surely too high for spammers but cheap enough for an app with a low message volume.
$10/year for 10,000 messages is a tenth of a penny per message
Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta
#119As someone not currently using Cloudflare Workers, I'm not sure I want to build a worker and figure out how to interface with it though my existing application just to send email. What happened to SMTP?
Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta
#120Cloudflare have great products and engineering expertise, but it starts to get into a concerning territory; what kind of influence over various protocols of the Internet they (might) have.
Especially when they decide you've used too much and shake you down for a higher business or enterprise plan.