EU Chat Control: Germany's position has been reverted to undecided

Post by fwsgonzo » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 12:16 PM UTC

flanked-evergl wrote: post #31

gpderetta wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No EU means that most states would already have implemented Chat Control. Case in point, the UK.

If the UK citizens want Chat Control they should have it. If they don't, they should not elect a government that wants it. Same goes for almost every issue the EU is pushing. Not everyone in the EU needs Chat Control just because the UK citizens really want a government that will give them Chat Control.

Post by ookdatnog » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 12:20 PM UTC

ptero wrote: post #38

dsign wrote: post #11

I think the surveillance state is gonna stay; we have been slipping into it just so and every electronic system out there wants to spy on us, beginning with our Windows and Mac computers and even the Sonos speaker. Small mystery that police forces want their slice of pie so badly. Freedom of expression has been of a limited nature already for some years (just cast Israel in a bad light in USA and see what happens). W…

Freedom of speech is doing not great, but still OK in the US. The government is not prosecuting for speech, which is what the free speech protections can and should guarantee. What now happens more is that big private companies, having huge influence on individual life in everything from communication to banking, attack people for their views. The cure for it might be to ease and speed up the way for people to push b…

Post by qnpnp » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 12:20 PM UTC

p0w3n3d wrote: post #109

Longhanks wrote: post #4

This chat control topic is undemocratic, allegedly illegal in many jurisdictions (such as Germany), yet, keeps coming up ever and ever again, and the politicians face no consequences whatsoever. Endeavour like these make people vote for extremists, distrust the EU and democracies, or just give up on politics for good. These EU politicians endangering freedom, justice and democracy must be held accountable, with the m…

European Commission is not a democratic body. No EU citizen voted for them.

Post by flanked-evergl » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 12:25 PM UTC

fwsgonzo wrote: post #112

flanked-evergl wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the UK citizens want Chat Control they should have it. If they don't, they should not elect a government that wants it. Same goes for almost every issue the EU is pushing. Not everyone in the EU needs Chat Control just because the UK citizens really want a government that will give them Chat Control.

Is there any living person that thinks the UK people want ChatControl? No? Me neither.

Post by Hamuko » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 12:27 PM UTC

delusional wrote: post #42

aleph_minus_one wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's the EU way - "We will keep holding the vote until we get the result that we want." Exactly. There is a reason why more and more EU-skeptical movements gain traction in various EU countries.

EU skepticism is at a 15 year low, and general approval hasnt been higher since 2007. Europeans in general like or is indifferent towards the EU.