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Claude Opus 4.1

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Re: Claude Opus 4.1

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Post by AlecSchueler »

furyofantares wrote: post #106
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #95

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When people post this stuff, it's like, are you also confused that Nike sells shoes AND shorts AND shirts, and there's different colors and skus for each article of clothing, and sometimes they sell direct to consumer and other times to stores and to universities, and also there's sales and promotions, etc, etc? It's almost as if companies sell more than one product. Why is this the top comment on so many threads abo…

In this case, they tried something and were told they were doing it wrong, and they know there's more than one way to do it wrong - wrong model, wrong tool using the model, wrong prompting, wrong task that you're trying to use it for. And of course you could be doing it right but the people saying it works great could themselves be wrong about how good it is. On top of that it costs both money and time/effort investm…

Is it though? People complain about sore feet and hear they wear the wrong kind of shoes so they go to the store where they have to spend money to find out while trying to navigate between dress shoes, minimal shoes, running shoes, hiking shoes etc etc., they have to know their size, ask for assistance in trying them on...

Re: Claude Opus 4.1

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Post by stillpointlab »

ryandrake wrote: post #100
avemg wrote: post #91

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My advice is this: 1) Completely separate in your mind the auto-completion features from the agentic coding features. The auto-completion features are a neat trick but I personally find those to be a bit annoying overall, even if they sometimes hit it completely right. If I'm writing the code, I mostly don't want the LLM autocompletion. 2) Pay the $20 to get a month of Claude Pro access and then install Claude Code.…

Interesting about the auto-completion. That was really the only Copilot feature I found to be useful. The idea of writing out an English prompt and telling Copilot what to write sounded (and still sounds) so slow and clunky. By the time I've articulated what I want it to do, I might as well have written the code myself. The auto-completion was at least a major time-saver. "The card game state is a structure that cont…

One analogy I have been thinking about lately is GPUs. You might say "The amount of time it takes me to fill memory with the data I want, copy from RAM to the GPU, let the GPU do it's thing, then copy it back to RAM, I might as well have just done the task on the CPU!"

I hope when I state it that way you start to realize the error in your thinking process. You don't send trivial tasks to the GPU because the overhead is too high.

You have to experiment and gain experience with agent coding. Just imagine that there are tasks where the overhead of explaining what to do and reviewing the output are dwarfed by the actual implementation. You have to calibrate yourself so you can recognize those tasks and offload them to the agent.

Re: Claude Opus 4.1

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Post by ryandrake »

avemg wrote: post #108
ryandrake wrote: post #100

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Interesting about the auto-completion. That was really the only Copilot feature I found to be useful. The idea of writing out an English prompt and telling Copilot what to write sounded (and still sounds) so slow and clunky. By the time I've articulated what I want it to do, I might as well have written the code myself. The auto-completion was at least a major time-saver. "The card game state is a structure that cont…

I think you should embrace a bit of ambiguity. Don't treat this like a stupid computer where you have to specify everything in minute detail. Certainly the more detail you give, the better to an extent. But really: Treat it like you're talking to a colleague and give it a shot. You don't have to get it right on the first prompt. You see what it did and you give it further instructions. Autocomplete is the least compe…

Thanks, I shall give it a try.

Re: Claude Opus 4.1

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Post by gmueckl »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #95
AlecSchueler wrote: post #81

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I'm not sure what's complicated about what you're describing? They offer two models and you can pay more for higher usage limits, then you can choose if you want to run it in your browser or in your terminal. Like what else would you expect? Fwiw I have a Claude pro plan and have no interest in using other offerings so I'm not sure if they're super simple (one model, one interface, one pricing plan)?

When people post this stuff, it's like, are you also confused that Nike sells shoes AND shorts AND shirts, and there's different colors and skus for each article of clothing, and sometimes they sell direct to consumer and other times to stores and to universities, and also there's sales and promotions, etc, etc? It's almost as if companies sell more than one product. Why is this the top comment on so many threads abo…

When you walk into a store, you can see and touch all of these products. It's intuitive.

With all this LLM cruft all you get is essentially the same old chat interface that's like the year 2000 called and wants its on-line chat websites back. The only thing other than a text box that you usually get is a model selector dropdown squirreled away in a corner somewhere. And that dropdown doesn't really explain the differences between the cryptic sounding options (GPT-something, Claude Whatever...). Of course this confuses people!

Re: Claude Opus 4.1

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Post by furyofantares »

Bolwin wrote: post #103
furyofantares wrote: post #54

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I'm a bit confused by people hitting usage limits so quickly. I use Opus exclusively and don't hit limits. ccusage reports I'm using the API-equivalent of $2000/mo

That's insane. Are you accounting for caching? If not, there's no way this is going to last

I'm using ccusage to get the number, I think it just looks at your history and calculates based on tokens vs API pricing. So I think it wouldn't account for caching.

But I totally agree there's no way it lasts. I'm mostly only using this for side projects and I'm sitting there interacting with it, not YOLO'ing, I do sometimes have two sessions going at the same time but I'm not firing off swarms or anything crazy. Just have it set to Opus and I chat with it.

Re: Claude Opus 4.1

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Post by margalabargala »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #95
AlecSchueler wrote: post #81

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I'm not sure what's complicated about what you're describing? They offer two models and you can pay more for higher usage limits, then you can choose if you want to run it in your browser or in your terminal. Like what else would you expect? Fwiw I have a Claude pro plan and have no interest in using other offerings so I'm not sure if they're super simple (one model, one interface, one pricing plan)?

When people post this stuff, it's like, are you also confused that Nike sells shoes AND shorts AND shirts, and there's different colors and skus for each article of clothing, and sometimes they sell direct to consumer and other times to stores and to universities, and also there's sales and promotions, etc, etc? It's almost as if companies sell more than one product. Why is this the top comment on so many threads abo…

If anything, Anthropic has the product lineup that makes the most sense. Higher numbers mean better model. Haiku Contrast to something like OpenAI. They've got gpt4.1, 4o, and o4. Which of these are newer than one another? How do people remember which of o4 and 4o are which?

Re: Claude Opus 4.1

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Post by hvb2 »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #95
AlecSchueler wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure what's complicated about what you're describing? They offer two models and you can pay more for higher usage limits, then you can choose if you want to run it in your browser or in your terminal. Like what else would you expect? Fwiw I have a Claude pro plan and have no interest in using other offerings so I'm not sure if they're super simple (one model, one interface, one pricing plan)?

When people post this stuff, it's like, are you also confused that Nike sells shoes AND shorts AND shirts, and there's different colors and skus for each article of clothing, and sometimes they sell direct to consumer and other times to stores and to universities, and also there's sales and promotions, etc, etc? It's almost as if companies sell more than one product. Why is this the top comment on so many threads abo…

Not sure is this is sarcasm I'm assuming not.

You're comparing well understood products that are wildly different to products with code names. Even someone who has never wore a t-shirt will see it on a mannequin and know where it goes.

I'm sorry but I cannot tell what the difference is between sonnet and opus. Unless one is for music...

So in this case you read the docs. Which is, in your analogy, you going to the Nike store and reading up on if a tshirt goes on your upper or lower body.

Re: Claude Opus 4.1

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Post by zarzavat »

ryandrake wrote: post #60

Am I the only one super confused about how to even get started trying out this stuff? Just so I wouldn't be "that critic who doesn't try the stuff he criticizes," I tried GitHub Copilot and was kind of not very impressed. Someone on HN told me Copilot sucks, use Claude. But I have no idea what the right way to do it is because there are so many paths to choose. Let's see: we have Claude Code vs. Claude the API vs. Cl…

Github Copilot and Claude code are not exactly competitors.

Github Copilot is autocomplete, highly useful if you use VS Code, but if you are using e.g. Jetbrains then you have other options. Copilot comes with a bunch of other stuff that I rarely use.

Claude code is project-wide editing, from the CLI.

They complement each other well.

As far as I'm concerned the utility of the AI-focused editors has been diminished by the existence of Claude code, though not entirely made redundant.

Re: Claude Opus 4.1

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Post by fkyoureadthedoc »

zarzavat wrote: post #118
ryandrake wrote: post #60

Am I the only one super confused about how to even get started trying out this stuff? Just so I wouldn't be "that critic who doesn't try the stuff he criticizes," I tried GitHub Copilot and was kind of not very impressed. Someone on HN told me Copilot sucks, use Claude. But I have no idea what the right way to do it is because there are so many paths to choose. Let's see: we have Claude Code vs. Claude the API vs. Cl…

Github Copilot and Claude code are not exactly competitors. Github Copilot is autocomplete, highly useful if you use VS Code, but if you are using e.g. Jetbrains then you have other options. Copilot comes with a bunch of other stuff that I rarely use. Claude code is project-wide editing, from the CLI. They complement each other well. As far as I'm concerned the utility of the AI-focused editors has been diminished by…

> Github Copilot is autocomplete... comes with a bunch of other stuff that I rarely use.

That bunch of other stuff includes the chat, and more recently "Agent Mode". I find it pretty useful, and the autocomplete near useless.

Re: Claude Opus 4.1

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Post by potatolicious »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #95
AlecSchueler wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure what's complicated about what you're describing? They offer two models and you can pay more for higher usage limits, then you can choose if you want to run it in your browser or in your terminal. Like what else would you expect? Fwiw I have a Claude pro plan and have no interest in using other offerings so I'm not sure if they're super simple (one model, one interface, one pricing plan)?

When people post this stuff, it's like, are you also confused that Nike sells shoes AND shorts AND shirts, and there's different colors and skus for each article of clothing, and sometimes they sell direct to consumer and other times to stores and to universities, and also there's sales and promotions, etc, etc? It's almost as if companies sell more than one product. Why is this the top comment on so many threads abo…

Eh, this seems like a take that reeks a bit of "everyone is stupid except me".

I do know the answer to OP's question but that's because I pickle my brain in this stuff. It is legitimately confusing.

The analogy to different SKUs strikes me also inaccurate. This isn't the difference between shoes, shirts, and shorts - it's more as if a company sells three t-shirts but you can't really tell what's different about them.

It's Claude, Claude, and Claude. Which ones code for you? Well, actually, all of them (Code, web/desktop Claude, and the API can all do this)

Which ones do you ask about daily sundry queries? Well, two of them (web/desktop Claude, but also the API, but not Code). Well, except if your sundry query is about a programming topic, in which case Code can also do that!

Ok, if I do want to use this to write code, which one should I use? Honestly, any of them, and the company does a poor job of explaining why you would use each option.

"Which of these very similar-seeming t-shirts should I get?" "You knob. How are posts like this even being posted." is just an extremely poor way to approach other people, IMO.

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