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America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by thinkingtoilet »

simpaticoder wrote: post #88
thinkingtoilet wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>$50M does seem like a lot $50 seems like nothing for a trillion dollar government budget.

I almost edited my comment to anticipate this comment. It is not large compared to the budget. Nothing is. It's large in absolute terms. $50M is a lot of spend compared to most businesses with a similar scope. The product is a database of information other people report, naively it seems like a lot. It doesn't have any of the complexity of most businesses. This is not to minimize the work of fixing messy input, repro…

>More than anything I'm curious how the money is being spent because without knowing that it's impossible to judge whether it's bloated or not.

Exactly. And it's totally fair for anyone to question the cost. However, the current administration is destroying things with the precision of a Jackson Pollack painting and no such reflection is happening.

Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by HideousKojima »

catlikesshrimp wrote: post #55
anannymoose wrote: post #9

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The UN? Make it an international cooperative effort?

The US is not the best friend of UN. Out of the WHO, menaces the ICJ, vetos that go against the democratic countries and a few times match russia. Trump out of the climate accord. Trump quit UN rights council, Trump cuts UNRWA funding. You may agree with some, but there is a pattern. I am waiting for it to leave the FAO. Not hoping, waiting.

>menaces the ICJ

The ICJ started that particular fight by issuing arrest warrants against non-signatories, something explicitly outside of its power and purview.

Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by CivBase »

Crazy idea: Decentralize the CVE across many nations so that no single organization has the power to eliminate it.

Even if the US doesn't play ball, it's a public database right? Is there anything stopping the UN, EU, UK, Australia, etc from copying it and establishing their own joint CVE?

Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by [deleted] »

Retric wrote: post #101
ryao wrote: post #66

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My mother has invoked it at various points in my life to try to motivate me to do the bare minimum to help myself when she did not think I was doing even that much (and was capable of doing it). I suppose that could have seemed like a cudgel to observers, but it was not. As for prayers being unanswered, there are two tragedies in this world. One is not getting what you want. The other is getting it. Interestingly, th…

Mouse Utopia experiment doesn’t give mice space it’s just not the kind of restriction that’s initially obvious. The modern take is when you put animals into environments well outside what they evolved for you get seemingly bizarre behavior.

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Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by Braxton1980 »

simpaticoder wrote: post #54
antonioevans wrote: post #13

So in what way does this help the American people?

>So in what way does this help the American people? Shutting down Mitre and the CVE is against American interests, both public and private. That said, you can make an argument, one that revolves around cost (was the CVE DB worth $50M a year, especially given its backlog?). The other part of that argument rests on assuming there will be a private or semi-private replacement for the service, that there may be many of t…

>. $50M does seem like a lot,

What comparison are you using? What wouldn't be alot for this service?

Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by Braxton1980 »

throwawaymaths wrote: post #100
btbuildem wrote: post #82

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> there will be a private or semi-private replacement for the service It would, by definition as a for-profit entity, cost more and provide less value. That is a guarantee.

private != for profit.

Maybe we can start a non-profit and everyone contributes to it, perhaps based on income.

Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by ModernMech »

Sharlin wrote: post #93
apercu wrote: post #83

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Evoking Hanlon's razor: The first Trump admin was mostly just incompetent. The second is in many ways much more incompetent, but now it is also actively malicious.

> The first Trump admin was mostly just incompetent.

Mostly is doing a lot of work here. The first Trump admin incited an insurrection. That wasn't incompetence, that was malicious. Hanlon's razor isn't it, you have to calculate p(malicious activity | caused an insurrection to stay in power) and you will arrive at a much higher posterior probability they are malicious rather than incompetent.

Re: America's cyber defenses are being dismantled from the inside

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Post by Braxton1980 »

thinkingtoilet wrote: post #111
simpaticoder wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I almost edited my comment to anticipate this comment. It is not large compared to the budget. Nothing is. It's large in absolute terms. $50M is a lot of spend compared to most businesses with a similar scope. The product is a database of information other people report, naively it seems like a lot. It doesn't have any of the complexity of most businesses. This is not to minimize the work of fixing messy input, repro…

>More than anything I'm curious how the money is being spent because without knowing that it's impossible to judge whether it's bloated or not. Exactly. And it's totally fair for anyone to question the cost. However, the current administration is destroying things with the precision of a Jackson Pollack painting and no such reflection is happening.

Question the cost how? By saying "is this alot?" Then performing no further investigation to confirm that or make a comparison basically leaving the question open which causes random to assume it's "alot"
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