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Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Post by mstipetic »

belter wrote: post #105
stego-tech wrote: post #12

Called it, again . Data sovereignty is the true trend of the next decade. Not Quantum, not AI, but the new multi-pole world order divesting from Americentric technologies and back into the sort of locally-grown economies that children of the Cold War would be familiar with. Local vendors serving local needs with a focus on regional, not global, scale and service. Us Cassandra types have been screaming for years that…

Dump Office and Teams. Easy to do and a great start to move outside of Windows OS. LibreOffice is perfect, and government officials wont govern better or worst, if their PowerPoint presentations don't have the latest MS fonts....

I’m all for open source but suggesting libre office is perfect is a bit too much for me

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Post by radicalbyte »

egorfine wrote: post #45

And replace with what, more regulations? Source: am a startup in the EU. The amount of bureaucracy is kafkaesque.

The US is little different in many areas, it's just that the EU is less integrated so there are bigger differences between EU Member States than US States.

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Post by dr_dshiv »

I gave a workshop yesterday on the effective use of large language models. We had participants from numerous Dutch corporations.

There is a lot of unmet demand for a non-American LLM. I suggested DeepSeek, but that's Chinese. I suggested Mistral, but that's French (joke!). I found OpenGPT-X from a European consortium, but it seems quite immature as yet. https://huggingface.co/openGPT-X

Perhaps there will be a European DeepSeek replica soon -- it should be quite affordable to build. But that's just one piece of the ecosystem -- there is a need for a lot of digital infrastructure.

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Post by cs702 »

Interesting.

For the government of a country like Denmark, with 1.4% the GDP and 1.7% the population of the US, the only viable way to build homegrown alternatives that avoid relying on software controlled by big US tech companies is to invest in open-source projects like GNU/Linux.

Many other governments around the world are in the same position as the government of Denmark.

Should they decide to invest in open-source projects, the impact could be significant.

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Post by belter »

mstipetic wrote: post #111
belter wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dump Office and Teams. Easy to do and a great start to move outside of Windows OS. LibreOffice is perfect, and government officials wont govern better or worst, if their PowerPoint presentations don't have the latest MS fonts....

I’m all for open source but suggesting libre office is perfect is a bit too much for me

Perfect for 98% of the things government officials are using Word, Excel and PowerPoint for...

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Post by Vinnl »

lordnacho wrote: post #41
Vinnl wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A heads-up in case there's any confusion: Greenland is part of Denmark, whereas the Dutch Parliament is the parliament of the Netherlands. Both are part of the EU, of course (although Greenland isn't).

As a Dane I've always wondered why so many English speakers think "Dutch" goes with "Denmark" when "Danish" is what you're actually after.

Honestly for German it somewhat makes sense, since "Deutsch" (German for "German") sounds like "Dutch", but Danish is farther-fetched. Then again, I can imagine the two countries (and a couple of other similar ones) melting into a single concept if you're on the other side of the planet - I'd have a hard time telling most US states or Latin American countries apart as well.

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Post by edwinjm »

jmyeet wrote: post #97

This is simply the American empire in decline. Maybe with the ascendancy of China, we'll at least get trains. This is what people need to understand about the current US administration: there's no grand plan. There's no deep strategy. The people in charge have absolutely no idea what they're doing. I'm not even sure if people at the top even know how tariffs work, like is the idea that foreign countries pay it just p…

I understand that most of what Trump does fits in Project 2025.

Re: Dutch Parliament: Time to ditch US tech for homegrown options

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Post by consp »

mstipetic wrote: post #111
belter wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dump Office and Teams. Easy to do and a great start to move outside of Windows OS. LibreOffice is perfect, and government officials wont govern better or worst, if their PowerPoint presentations don't have the latest MS fonts....

I’m all for open source but suggesting libre office is perfect is a bit too much for me

Good enough for the vast majority. Just not the ones making the decisions. And when it is changed, you have to fight all m$ because it keeps breaking formats and compatibility let alone standardisation with others.
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