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Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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Post by RamblingCTO »

xena wrote: post #107
mrweasel wrote: post #43

Looking at how much infrastructure needs to be spun up, I don't really see this as a good solution for personal note taking. If you use the Docker environment, you spin up 10 or more containers... including KeyClock. I get that this is intended to by hosted by a company or an organisation, but plenty of people are using Notion just as individuals. Most people would be better of with Obsidian, Bear, Notion or even App…

Honestly it's a reasonable set of dependencies: * Postgres for permanent storage * an OIDC identity provider so you don't have to make your own password system * Redis for caching * S3-compatible object storage (so you don't have to reinvent file uploads) * The app itself What would you rather them do? Waste time reinventing the wheel for no reason? If you have the IDP and object storage setup already figured out you…

That's a typical tech answer. Do you really want to spin up 10 images for note taking for yourself? From a product standpoint that's not sensible and wastes way to much resources.

Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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Post by jxf »

I like this! One note: I think the README would also benefit from having a (crowdsourced?) list of providers that offer (or will soon offer) Docs as a hosted offering. Many users of collaborative editing tools aren't sophisticated enough to actually host an instance.

Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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Post by bayindirh »

phillc73 wrote: post #108
bayindirh wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it doesn't. First, you create the tools you need with the money your people give you. Then, you give back the tools you created to the public and/or everyone who needs them. You keep your data in your own data center, use the tools which squarely fills the needs of your workers and people, and you share its maintenance with the outside users. It's a win-win-win (country, its workers, people in the world). WWW is…

Why “licence (sic)”? It’s the correct spelling.

I know it's the correct spelling for UK English, but US uses license. I just wanted to make sure that I copied it verbatim, that's all.

Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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Post by sham1 »

jdvh wrote: post #56
rtpg wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a universe where the French government drops a perfect replacement for Notion and causes Notion to go out of business, this is still a net positive for society in the same way that things like Linux existing is a net positive for society. One should not focus on the economic sphere as the be all and end all. We can just have improvements be distributed to everyone sometimes! We can just do good things through coor…

In the short term a free open source govt alternative may be a net positive for society. I don't think it is in the long run. Government projects like these are not likely to really push the state-of-the-art forward. This project even advertises itself as a FOSS Notion alternative. Do government-sponsored clones encourage or stymie innovation? I think the latter. Every week we read in the news that the EU struggles w…

What part of this project would stop you or someone else from "innovating" and making it "state of the art"?

After all, it's licensed under the MIT License, and the readme explicitly states that it can be contributed to, and that in fact they encourage it.

Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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Post by drio0 »

wim wrote: post #52
mrweasel wrote: post #43

Looking at how much infrastructure needs to be spun up, I don't really see this as a good solution for personal note taking. If you use the Docker environment, you spin up 10 or more containers... including KeyClock. I get that this is intended to by hosted by a company or an organisation, but plenty of people are using Notion just as individuals. Most people would be better of with Obsidian, Bear, Notion or even App…

We're working on an "IDE for notes/tasks" [1] in the space of Notion and so on where you can easily self-host the sync backend with a single binary. The idea is that you can choose between cloud or self-host (and "eject" at any time to switch between the two if you ever change your mind). We hope that might be a good balance between some companies or individuals wanting to self-host but still making it accessible whe…

do you plan to have a mobile app?

would you implement database function like in Notion?

Is it a full feature todo app or just noting down tasks?

would be a killer app if it has 3 Yes

Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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Post by jdvh »

panarky wrote: post #104
jdvh wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Certainly not. I don't believe progress is always good. But subsidies should be reserved for ambitious projects that push the state of the art forward. For those projects that realistically will not get funded commercially. CERN, for instance.

Building this allows them to reduce the subsidy that is perpetual software license fees.

In exchange for perpetual development and maintenance costs. Total cost of ownership doesn't go down by rolling your own in-house.

Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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Post by microtonal »

mgkimsal wrote: post #4

The closest we get is something like USDS, which then gets hijacked in to DOGE. Open source software built and supported by a national government is inspiring. Are there more examples of this I'm not aware of? I hope so.

Open source repositories of the Dutch government:

https://oss.developer.overheid.nl/repositories

Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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Post by bluedino »

wslh wrote: post #83
nchagnet wrote: post #6

This is a really great project from both the French and German governments. I think state-funded open source solutions to digital platforms is a fantastic opportunity to get away from the big tech walled gardens. Of course, there is always the risk that this becomes unmaintained in the future, but the community at least can take over. But until then, it's a nice platform and a nice contribution to the community.

> Of course, there is always the risk that this becomes unmaintained in the future We can't even be certain that Notion won't be acquired, deprecated, or poorly maintained in the future. Risks exist on both sides.

Anyone remember Evernote?

Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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Post by rlnvlc »

DeathArrow wrote: post #55
rtpg wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a universe where the French government drops a perfect replacement for Notion and causes Notion to go out of business, this is still a net positive for society in the same way that things like Linux existing is a net positive for society. One should not focus on the economic sphere as the be all and end all. We can just have improvements be distributed to everyone sometimes! We can just do good things through coor…

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Who said that government cannot compete with private companies on the free market? It is not like they banned notion, they simply released an alternative product. More competition means better outcome for the customers. But somehow you ended up saying this is communism. How you got there is completely beyond me.
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