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EFF, Reddit, Mozilla, others launch Internet Defense League and Cat Signal

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Re: EFF, Reddit, Mozilla, others launch Internet Defense League and Cat Signal

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Post by ralfn »

nikcub wrote: post #29

This part makes me uncomfortable: > Our organization and network helped to defeat SOPA/PIPA [..] The Internet Defense League continues this work. But it depends on its members' donations It then goes on to ask for a donation to support staff who 'work behind the scenes'. I think to people who are unfamiliar with what happen around the community action with SOPA and PIPA this section can be interpreted as the Internet…

Considering the list of supporting sites, that are behind this project, claiming to play a crucial part of the defeat of SOPA, would be totally correct.

But they dont actually do that. They use "we" in a politically rethoric form, where they try to convince the reader what their position already is. Its like saying "we the american people, need lower taxes to be free".

Its a marketing trick.

Re: EFF, Reddit, Mozilla, others launch Internet Defense League and Cat Signal

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Post by [deleted] »

nikcub wrote: post #29

This part makes me uncomfortable: > Our organization and network helped to defeat SOPA/PIPA [..] The Internet Defense League continues this work. But it depends on its members' donations It then goes on to ask for a donation to support staff who 'work behind the scenes'. I think to people who are unfamiliar with what happen around the community action with SOPA and PIPA this section can be interpreted as the Internet…

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Re: EFF, Reddit, Mozilla, others launch Internet Defense League and Cat Signal

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Post by ralfn »

wickedchicken wrote: post #50
ralfn wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not supposed to be a lobbyist. It is supposed to be a poltical movement. Its political marketing aimed at voters. It should target the type of teens on facebook, that you and i may look down upon. As far as im concerned, they dont even go far enough. We need a comic. We need memes. RESCUE MONORAIL CAT FROM THE CLUTCHES OF THE EVIL INTERNET HATE LEAGUE. FIRE UP YOUR MEMES AND BLAST THESE CORRUPT SENIORS OUT OF C…

> It should target the type of teens on facebook The type of teen who legally can't vote? Sounds effective.

Many of them can. And they are still easier to convince, that an 80 year old that still uses racial slurs.

Re: EFF, Reddit, Mozilla, others launch Internet Defense League and Cat Signal

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Post by ralfn »

ybother wrote: post #66
sageikosa wrote: post #45

Any idea on how this league will be governed? Does each participant vote on what should become actionable? Will it's governance be by elective representation?

Any idea on what it actually does? How does it detect "danger"? It seems more like an attempt to co-opt internet freedom movements than actually do anything at all.

Theyll be able to spam, hopefully millions of websites, at once, with the same exact political message.

If they use this sparringly ( only for things as big as SOPA ), most site owners wouldnt mind.

And the impact, together with all major cities suddenly blasting a cat light, will likely reach the news.

At which point, people like the EFF ( which are also part of this initiative ), will likely have serious, well spoken individuals available for interviews and such.

Re: EFF, Reddit, Mozilla, others launch Internet Defense League and Cat Signal

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Post by stinkytaco »

guelo wrote: post #98
MSM wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We stopped SOPA This is what I'm worried about. Who really stopped SOPA? You can bet that anyone who signs up for this will go around touting how they stopped SOPA, just like the guy next to me pretty much single handedly saved Haiti in 2010 with his $5 donation to the Red Cross. There is a disparity between giving money so that others can continue to do work and being the one doing the work. I want that distinctio…

Why? Why do you need to make those distinctions? The doctor couldn't fly to Haiti if he hadn't been funded. You need a lot of different pieces working together to make big change.

But someone who posted "Like this if you love Doctors in Haiti" did very little, just as people signing up for a website do very little. I don't like to belittle "raising awareness" campaigns because I know how important they are. But there is no substitute for getting your feet on the ground or your money from your wallet. I worry that we are creating a generation of people who think posting something in their facebook feed is saving the world. It’s certainly helpful, but it has to be in conjunction with real work.

People who aggravated against SOPA certainly did something -- an important thing -- but people who made hard decisions, called or emailed their representatives and really coordinated this effort did more.

Re: EFF, Reddit, Mozilla, others launch Internet Defense League and Cat Signal

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Post by zmmmmm »

sageikosa wrote: post #45

Any idea on how this league will be governed? Does each participant vote on what should become actionable? Will it's governance be by elective representation?

Indeed. I like the idea of this, but without a clear constitution and statement of their mission I can't sign up for it and I certainly won't be injecting their code into my web sites.

Re: EFF, Reddit, Mozilla, others launch Internet Defense League and Cat Signal

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Post by stinkytaco »

dotborg wrote: post #13

"bad monopolies".. so which monopolies are good?

Utilities, roads, wireless spectrum, really anything that requires everyone to agree on a standard set of rules for it to work. Can you imagine if roads were built like web browsers? It's one thing to have a website not work in your web browser, but when someone's safety is at stake, I'm a big fan of standardization.

Of course -- and I've said this before -- anything important enough to be a monopoly is important enough to be heavily regulated in order to operate in the public interest (as utilities, roads and spectrum are).

Re: EFF, Reddit, Mozilla, others launch Internet Defense League and Cat Signal

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Post by stinkytaco »

__alexs wrote: post #44
RobAtticus wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Monopolies are not inherently bad. A monopoly on some good or service might be that way because it provides the best product at a fair price and there's no way somebody else could beat them. It's only when a monopoly starts using its position of power to either unfairly gain advantage in a similar market, start screwing over customers that they become "bad," or some other tactic that ruins competition or hurts consum…

> Monopolies are not inherently bad. Yes they are. They are bad because they are a massive risk center to their customers. For a small industry this is just kind of annoying, but for a massive one it can have a detrimental effect on the entire economy and not having massive single points of failure in your economy should be (and sometimes is) considered a matter of national security.

What about wireless spectrum? Should we just give access to spectrum to everyone who wants it? Your radio, cell phone and wireless Internet would stop working within weeks, I'm sure. Sometime monopoly is not only good, but necessary.

Re: EFF, Reddit, Mozilla, others launch Internet Defense League and Cat Signal

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Post by lucisferre »

zwdr wrote: post #6

I just cant take such initiatives seriously if they have Facebook-Buttons...

That's ok, I find it difficult to take anyone seriously who seems to think fist-shaking at social networks is going to make them less important or go away.
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