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Disposable vapes to be banned in England and Wales

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Re: Disposable vapes to be banned in England and Wales

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nostrebored wrote: post #84
cyberpunk wrote: post #42

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I switched to vapes for a while and genuinely my lung health was worse than smoking. In the end it was Allen Carr’s book that got me off them, and it was surprisingly easy. The author died in 2006 so I wouldn’t even feel too bad about pirating it, I’m quite sure he wouldn’t mind.

My pet theory is that nicotine itself isn't particularly addictive to adults. I think the combination of additives in cigs is what makes them so hard to quit. I have quit various forms of pure nicotine with no withdrawals over the years, and treat it a bit like caffeine -- a stimulant that I use for a few months at a time before cycling off. The only time I've _ever_ desperately craved a nicotine product was after 2-…

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Post by acka »

dejawu wrote: post #65
gedy wrote: post #60

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Displays? I'm curious to see these if you know what brand these were.

Looks like one of them is Pyne Pod: https://www.pynepod.com/uploads/bd58c18e.png The Geek Bar Pulse has the custom multi-segment on the side: https://oss.geekbar.com/products/meloso-ultra/2/Orange%20Cre...

> Looks like one of them is Pyne Pod: https://www.pynepod.com/uploads/bd58c18e.png

Is that a USB port on the underside? A rechargeable, non-refillable vape, oh my...

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Post by tbrownaw »

changing1999 wrote: post #75
ajmurmann wrote: post #69

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Would it make more sense to properly tax those negative externalities instead of having some authority just picking one use case as "bad"?

How would an additional tax address this? Paying more would hardly reduce usage, and definitely won't incentivize users to dispose of vape pens more responsibly.

Do bottle deposits (a few cents that you get back for returning empty soda or whatever bottles to the right place) actually work? If they do, maybe the same model would work for this.

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Post by xelamonster »

bloopernova wrote: post #90
xelamonster wrote: post #47

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Rechargeable vape pens are incredibly cheap, and disposables aren't noticeably more expensive overall so the cost difference is insignificant. Couple reasons for a preference (personally don't vape nicotine and I've never cared strongly about disposable vs not): - Disposables won't die on you. Unless you're getting massive carts the battery tends to last the whole time and you never worry about charging. - Guaranteed…

> Guaranteed compatible. I've seen seemingly standard carts not work with certain pens which can be very frustrating. The carts with longer mouthpieces just fit in my battery/pen, but yeah the cartridges need to be a standard length too. > The standard 510 thread cartridge kinda sucks. I'm not sure if it's a design flaw or a lot of bad manufacturers but they tend to leak and develop blockages. Blockages are an annoya…

I would go for multiple air paths over a wider one, don't want to end up with a smoothie straw you can suck liquid vape juice out of. But yeah length can be an issue and width also, for the ones that wrap around the cartridge to be more compact.

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Post by prophesi »

cyberpunk wrote: post #42
prophesi wrote: post #22

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I'm not sure how it is in the UK, but in the USA it's also next to impossible to find a disposable vape that doesn't have an insanely high amount of nicotine. If anyone is unfortunate enough to try a disposable as their introduction to nicotine, they'll be as hooked as a pack a day smoker in no time. I switched to vaping after the pandemic and saw in realtime vapes come out with higher and higher nicotine levels, rep…

I switched to vapes for a while and genuinely my lung health was worse than smoking. In the end it was Allen Carr’s book that got me off them, and it was surprisingly easy. The author died in 2006 so I wouldn’t even feel too bad about pirating it, I’m quite sure he wouldn’t mind.

Yeah at this point, nicotine pouches might be the best smoking alternative. But I'm seeing the same thing happen there. Zyns start at 3mg which is already higher than the usual 2mg for tobacco pouches. Off brands are going as high as 8mg+, and I imagine it'll keep rising as their consumers raise their tolerance.

edit: This discussion is really bumming me out; quitting feels hopeless when we're preyed upon like this.

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Post by nialv7 »

ajmurmann wrote: post #69
Swarming wrote: post #3

I’m a UK vaper (former smoker) and while I’m sure I’m going to find this annoying (disposables are helpful in a pinch when your proper vape has run out of battery or liquid), it’s clearly the right thing to do. The e-waste involved in that sub-industry must be absolutely horrifying. Tens of millions of tiny little batteries, surrounded in plastic, lingering quantities of nicotine-rich liquids… Glad this is happening.…

Would it make more sense to properly tax those negative externalities instead of having some authority just picking one use case as "bad"?

It might work if nicotine wasn't addictive. And because it is, the rational actor hypothesis goes out of the window, and taxing it is just going to hurt poor people who are addicted to nicotine.

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Post by fragmede »

bebrbrhrj wrote: post #91
stavros wrote: post #29

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Are the batteries any good? What do they have in them? 1100 mAh LiPo?

Wat? Disposibles have rechargable batteries?

They're cheap but rechargable lithium-ion batteries, as well as a blob of electronics to make it heat an element when a button or microphone sensor activates to vape, and a lot of times, also a fancy screen with animations.

Some disposable vapes even include a USB port to recharge that battery, which is why it's certain that they're rechargable.

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Post by AStonesThrow »

nostrebored wrote: post #84
cyberpunk wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I switched to vapes for a while and genuinely my lung health was worse than smoking. In the end it was Allen Carr’s book that got me off them, and it was surprisingly easy. The author died in 2006 so I wouldn’t even feel too bad about pirating it, I’m quite sure he wouldn’t mind.

My pet theory is that nicotine itself isn't particularly addictive to adults. I think the combination of additives in cigs is what makes them so hard to quit. I have quit various forms of pure nicotine with no withdrawals over the years, and treat it a bit like caffeine -- a stimulant that I use for a few months at a time before cycling off. The only time I've _ever_ desperately craved a nicotine product was after 2-…

What if it wasn't the ethanol that caused so many horrible health problems in alcoholics, but rather all the nasty additives in the stuff they drank?

Imagine how much adulteration goes on, especially with bargain basement liquors and beers. Surely, pure ethanol is not our lone enemy in this fight.

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Post by LordDragonfang »

8f2ab37a-ed6c wrote: post #49
Swarming wrote: post #3

I’m a UK vaper (former smoker) and while I’m sure I’m going to find this annoying (disposables are helpful in a pinch when your proper vape has run out of battery or liquid), it’s clearly the right thing to do. The e-waste involved in that sub-industry must be absolutely horrifying. Tens of millions of tiny little batteries, surrounded in plastic, lingering quantities of nicotine-rich liquids… Glad this is happening.…

I also noticed that the flavors I'd get in disposables taste a lot more "chemical" than the ones you can find for a vape mod. I suspect that people buying them in a pinch makes them a lot less discerning about what ends up in them.

It's also possibly to do with the fact that disposables are almost universally nic salts, where as mod juices are usually freebase nic, and that can affect the flavor.

(Of course, I might be wrong, since it's been nearly a decade since I paid attention to the vape scene)

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Post by corobo »

jsheard wrote: post #107
dberst wrote: post #81

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I can imagine a tax so high that it's effectively a ban, and a tax half that size that might be a compromise between black and white ban/no ban

The UK taxed tobacco to high heaven and I don't think it did much to actually curb use. It's subject to the usual 20% VAT, plus an extra 16.5%, plus a flat £6.33 on 20 packs, so well over half of the sale price of tobacco is just tax. https://www.gov.uk/tax-on-shopping/alcohol-tobacco

The people I know that would be affected by this just get duty free from corner shops under the table now. Last I heard it's around 8 quid for 50g of rolling tobacco instead of £38 buying legit.

Wouldn't be surprised to find out they smoke more than they used to with it being less scarce.

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