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Disposable vapes to be banned in England and Wales

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Re: Disposable vapes to be banned in England and Wales

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Post by asplake »

dotBen wrote: post #26
Faaak wrote: post #4

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Yeah, same. I'm all up for a "free country", and all that. But this was just absurd. I wonder if 30+ years don't the line, if maybe resources are scarcer, we'll think about these and say: "we were fucking crazy"

The UK isn't a 'free country' in the way American's use the term. It took me a few years of living in America to understand the nuance. I think the 'freedoms' Americans have raises it's own problems for society (eg guns) and there isn't a right or wrong, just different. The joke I always like to make is that in the US everything is legal unless the government legislates to say you can't, in Europe everything is illeg…

> The joke I always like to make is that in the US everything is legal unless the government legislates to say you can't

Guess where the US got that from? Yes, the UK, and it still applies.

Re: Disposable vapes to be banned in England and Wales

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Post by acdha »

mgraczyk wrote: post #50
acdha wrote: post #40

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Do you have a citation for that? Most people would not consider a 3+ inch blade a pocket knife and even then it’s not illegal if you have a good reason: https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives

The most popular pocket knife in the US (as far as I know) has a 3.75 inch blade. https://www.buckknives.com/product/110-folding-hunter-knife/...

That’s a hunting knife with a belt holster. It might be popular but usually “pocket knife” means something like a Swiss Army knife which comfortably fits in a normal sized pocket.

(Nothing against Buck Knives, by the way - I have one of the first ones made in the custom knife shop 25 years ago when I developed the web UI for them. It’s just not a daily carry kind of size for most of us.)

Re: Disposable vapes to be banned in England and Wales

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Post by okdood64 »

gedy wrote: post #60
dejawu wrote: post #6

An ex of mine used disposable vapes and I was shocked by how beautifully designed some of them are - transparent covers with visible inner workings reminiscent of the Nothing phones; custom multi-segment displays for battery and temperature status; original artwork printed in vibrant color on the side. It made me even angrier that these things are meant to just be used once and then thrown out. Of course putting all…

Displays? I'm curious to see these if you know what brand these were.

https://flumgio.com/mello/

Re: Disposable vapes to be banned in England and Wales

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Post by dejawu »

gedy wrote: post #60
dejawu wrote: post #6

An ex of mine used disposable vapes and I was shocked by how beautifully designed some of them are - transparent covers with visible inner workings reminiscent of the Nothing phones; custom multi-segment displays for battery and temperature status; original artwork printed in vibrant color on the side. It made me even angrier that these things are meant to just be used once and then thrown out. Of course putting all…

Displays? I'm curious to see these if you know what brand these were.

Looks like one of them is Pyne Pod: https://www.pynepod.com/uploads/bd58c18e.png

The Geek Bar Pulse has the custom multi-segment on the side: https://oss.geekbar.com/products/meloso-ultra/2/Orange%20Cre...

Re: Disposable vapes to be banned in England and Wales

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Post by swores »

bragr wrote: post #56
prophesi wrote: post #22

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I'm not sure how it is in the UK, but in the USA it's also next to impossible to find a disposable vape that doesn't have an insanely high amount of nicotine. If anyone is unfortunate enough to try a disposable as their introduction to nicotine, they'll be as hooked as a pack a day smoker in no time. I switched to vaping after the pandemic and saw in realtime vapes come out with higher and higher nicotine levels, rep…

This is a bit of a US problem. The UK and many other countries limit the strength and amount of vape juice, so they are weaker and give fewer puffs. There's a lot of evidence that this reduces the addictiveness.

UK disposables do still tend to be as high as they're allowed, while bottles of liquid come in various lower amounts of nicotine to choose from.

Re: Disposable vapes to be banned in England and Wales

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Post by jotux »

acdha wrote: post #40
donbateman wrote: post #9

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Do you have a citation for that? Most people would not consider a 3+ inch blade a pocket knife and even then it’s not illegal if you have a good reason: https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives

You can't carry a packet knife with a blade length over 2.5" into any US federal buildings: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/930

Re: Disposable vapes to be banned in England and Wales

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Post by ajmurmann »

Swarming wrote: post #3

I’m a UK vaper (former smoker) and while I’m sure I’m going to find this annoying (disposables are helpful in a pinch when your proper vape has run out of battery or liquid), it’s clearly the right thing to do. The e-waste involved in that sub-industry must be absolutely horrifying. Tens of millions of tiny little batteries, surrounded in plastic, lingering quantities of nicotine-rich liquids… Glad this is happening.…

Would it make more sense to properly tax those negative externalities instead of having some authority just picking one use case as "bad"?

Re: Disposable vapes to be banned in England and Wales

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Post by kchr »

bluGill wrote: post #36
calmoo wrote: post #16

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That's a bit of a mischaracterisation of the point OP was making. It is a small consumer device with a battery, that only lasts a few days and is then tossed out. That should never have been legal in the first place.

Plenty of children's toys are just as bad. All those musical toys/books you see: most of them do not have replaceable batteries - or the battery is replaceable but the retail price of the batteries is more than the whole toy (you can get sketchy batteries from the usual sketchy places for cheaper)

Agreed, but they're not being tossed out into nature the same way these disposable vapes are.
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