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Re: Linux 6.11 Released

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Post by WaffleIronMaker »

homebrewer wrote: post #7

6.10 (TEN, the previous one) has been a very problematic release for me, with one desktop running into four major bugs in total: three separate amdgpu bugs resulting in video corruption, hangs and crashes, and now that I'm on 6.10.10 and those seem to be fixed, the system intermittently refuses to come up from sleep mode. Anyone else having similar experience? This is the first time something like that happened in a…

I was using a Fedora release with the 6.10 kernel, and I experienced frequent logouts and restarts, almost once per day. It's nice to see that others were having similarly poor experiences.

Re: Linux 6.11 Released

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

JSDevOps wrote: post #76
IshKebab wrote: post #43

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How does Linux handle testing? They don't seem to have a CI system as far as I know. Presumably there's no big lab with automated testing on real hardware. Does anyone know how releases are tested?

Explain how you would deal with CI in a kernel?

Take a machine, set it up to network boot, plug it in to a ZigBee-controlled plug. Every time you have a new version, a script bumps the netboot kernel and power cycles the machine, then runs tests. Those tests include "does it boot and respond to ssh", but also "can it run render jobs on the GPU", "does KDE start and if we connect over VNC did it render correctly", "do NFS performance tests show expected numbers", etc. Ideally, this box has a lot of hardware plugged in and those tests exercise all the drivers you can think of. For bonus points, scale horizontally; each kernel version can get booted on a Dell server and a Raspberry Pi and a Macbook and a Raptor POWER workstation and a Steam Deck (probably with battery removed) and [...], and all of these can netboot and run tests in parallel.

Honestly, I'd love to set up this kind of thing, but I've not seen a job for it that doesn't need C expertise:(

Re: Linux 6.11 Released

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Post by gigatexal »

abhinavk wrote: post #97
gigatexal wrote: post #57

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6.10 broke my fedora gaming proton box and I was on holiday at the time and so upset I just nuked it and put windows on it to play games. Now it's only powered on on the weekends to play games and I've moved all my linux needs to a VM on my overspecc'd Mac. I also had an AMDGPU system. 5600X, AMD 6800 GPU, Fedora 40. -> now win11 (which has so much cruft out of the box I am considering nuking it and going back haha)

In college, I used to run bleeding edge. But now...I will only run a bleeding edge system as an immutable distro or on a filesystem with quick rollbacks.

Yeah ... had I had an immutable system or something where rolling back was easy I would have ... I dunno Fedora/Linux + AMD hardware had been so rock solid I took it for granted.

Re: Linux 6.11 Released

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Post by anthk »

cwillu wrote: post #93
anthk wrote: post #75

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These kind of schedulers often harm servers' I/O usage. And the opposite it's true too. Server based loads are bad for multimedia/gaming desktops.

Yes, that's why it's a config option; but if the code is in the kernel a distro can package up a preempt-rt kernel by flipping the config flag rather than maintaining an out-of-tree patchset, which is a _much_ lower burden.

Ah, TIL. I thought the -rt kernel was in mainline since mid 2000's.

Re: Linux 6.11 Released

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Post by quicksilver03 »

homebrewer wrote: post #7

6.10 (TEN, the previous one) has been a very problematic release for me, with one desktop running into four major bugs in total: three separate amdgpu bugs resulting in video corruption, hangs and crashes, and now that I'm on 6.10.10 and those seem to be fixed, the system intermittently refuses to come up from sleep mode. Anyone else having similar experience? This is the first time something like that happened in a…

The amdgpu driver has been the main source of issues for me on 6.10, but I had issues on older 6.x versions as well: for example, on a desktop with 2 monitors, I had to turn on the 2 monitors simultaneously or the UI would freeze.

Re: Linux 6.11 Released

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Post by deskr »

candiddevmike wrote: post #95
fluoridation wrote: post #91

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I mean, it's GPL. If something were to happen to him, anyone could just start their own fork. There would likely be some competition between forks for a while before two or three emerge as the successors eventually.

Linux is basically a national security issue at this point with how much runs on it. Linus is an interesting dictator because he's not bound to any corporation. I think some kind of kernel throne wars would be terrible for the community and could result in Red Hat or some other corporate overlord owning the kernel (not literally because of trademarks but effectively through the release and mainline).

Yep. I imagine many Jia Tan's are lining up for dictator/maintenance roles.

Re: Linux 6.11 Released

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Post by _cenw »

johnnyApplePRNG wrote: post #86
_cenw wrote: post #40

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You have no idea how little that narrows it down, there's an Intel and an AMD variant.

My apologies, it runs a 4750u amd processor.

That gen should still have "real" S3 sleep, with S2idle/S0ix (same thing, different name) being an option. I'd guess yes.

Re: Linux 6.11 Released

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Post by _cenw »

shatsky wrote: post #90
fsflover wrote: post #31

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If you choose the right laptop, yes. Works for me.

Is suspend-to-ram something that often doesn't work on laptops with Linux, really? I used it on dozens and saw problems maybe once or twice. Though I usually pick ones which are 3+ years old.

The problem is that platforms are removing S3 and S2idle support wasn't great for a while. Those problems should be mostly resolved in 2024 though.

Re: Linux 6.11 Released

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Post by abenga »

7e wrote: post #110
abenga wrote: post #18

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LLMs are not an "important advancement of humankind". Might as well add crypto if that's the bar.

If crypto is the bar, Linux looks even worse. At least crypto was novel in the past 30 years. Linux works on new hardware and... that's it. There's nothing new about Linux. As far as OSes go there is seL4 other interesting research. Linux is a toilet. It flushes. It has utility. That's good, but I don't need to hear about every new release of something which just isn't changing in fundamental ways.

And you don't think plumbing is important? Are you secretly a fan of cholera?

And stability is important. Things which change all the time for the sake of change are extremely tiring, e.g. the JS/TS/JSX/whatever is new over there these days. Yet stodgy old Linux provides more utility than almost all other software.

Re: Linux 6.11 Released

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Post by GoblinSlayer »

fortyseven wrote: post #82
kabes wrote: post #51

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Then just an ever increasing number like most browser do these days would make more sense.

I kind of like the year/release style. 2024.1, etc. Gives you some context for how old/new it is at a glance.

Or 54.1 for a shorter number.
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