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Re: Linux 6.11 Released

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Post by squarefoot »

meiraleal wrote: post #52

When will be the year of GNU/Linux for smartphones? Android is not it. I wish we could install distros in a smartphone as easy as it is in desktop

Fighting against well known hardware on PCs is one thing, doing the same against mobile manufacturers because they refuse to release any documentation is a nightmare. Linux will have a hard time becoming a reality in the mobile world because of hardware manufacturers hostility, not for any of its faults. Pine64 had to design the PinePhone platform from scratch for this exact reason, still they encountered so many blocks that when it finally became available it was already too old.

Re: Linux 6.11 Released

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Post by aseipp »

marcodiego wrote: post #6

Bets for 6.12: sched_ext, PREEMPT_RT anyone?

There's already a series posted a week ago for 6.12 that will ungate PREEMPT_RT on x86, ARM and RISC-V; it only modifies the Kconfig entries to enable it[1]. So I'd say it's hardly a bet!

[1] https://lwn.net/ml/all/20240906111841.562402-1-bigeasy@linut...

Re: Linux 6.11 Released

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Post by musicale »

leonheld wrote: post #63
IshKebab wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does Linux handle testing? They don't seem to have a CI system as far as I know. Presumably there's no big lab with automated testing on real hardware. Does anyone know how releases are tested?

Several companies (including mine, Toradex) have setup board farms to deal with Kernel regressions and bugs during the `-rc` window, ie, the kernel that is going to be released is heavily tested. https://kernelci.org/ is a big one, Linaro has theirs https://lkft.linaro.org/ , Intel has multiple farms, Collabora works relentlessly with GitLab integration https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/news-and-events/patc...…

> The kernel is very much tested before a release with gigantic automated labs on real hardware.

So what went wrong?

Re: Linux 6.11 Released

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Post by anthk »

gigatexal wrote: post #57
homebrewer wrote: post #7

6.10 (TEN, the previous one) has been a very problematic release for me, with one desktop running into four major bugs in total: three separate amdgpu bugs resulting in video corruption, hangs and crashes, and now that I'm on 6.10.10 and those seem to be fixed, the system intermittently refuses to come up from sleep mode. Anyone else having similar experience? This is the first time something like that happened in a…

6.10 broke my fedora gaming proton box and I was on holiday at the time and so upset I just nuked it and put windows on it to play games. Now it's only powered on on the weekends to play games and I've moved all my linux needs to a VM on my overspecc'd Mac. I also had an AMDGPU system. 5600X, AMD 6800 GPU, Fedora 40. -> now win11 (which has so much cruft out of the box I am considering nuking it and going back haha)

Try Fedora Bazzite. It's inmutable and you'll get rollbacks at the grub prompt.

Re: Linux 6.11 Released

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Post by anthk »

cwillu wrote: post #68
marcodiego wrote: post #6

Bets for 6.12: sched_ext, PREEMPT_RT anyone?

PREEMPT_RT would be a boon for audio/video work, hope it finally goes in. Not everyone who needs it knows they need it, let alone how to compile it, and having it in-tree would massively simplify the process for distros to [re-]package a proper RT kernel.

These kind of schedulers often harm servers' I/O usage. And the opposite it's true too. Server based loads are bad for multimedia/gaming desktops.

Re: Linux 6.11 Released

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Post by JSDevOps »

IshKebab wrote: post #43
homebrewer wrote: post #7

6.10 (TEN, the previous one) has been a very problematic release for me, with one desktop running into four major bugs in total: three separate amdgpu bugs resulting in video corruption, hangs and crashes, and now that I'm on 6.10.10 and those seem to be fixed, the system intermittently refuses to come up from sleep mode. Anyone else having similar experience? This is the first time something like that happened in a…

How does Linux handle testing? They don't seem to have a CI system as far as I know. Presumably there's no big lab with automated testing on real hardware. Does anyone know how releases are tested?

Explain how you would deal with CI in a kernel?

Re: Linux 6.11 Released

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Post by trulyrandom »

homebrewer wrote: post #7

6.10 (TEN, the previous one) has been a very problematic release for me, with one desktop running into four major bugs in total: three separate amdgpu bugs resulting in video corruption, hangs and crashes, and now that I'm on 6.10.10 and those seem to be fixed, the system intermittently refuses to come up from sleep mode. Anyone else having similar experience? This is the first time something like that happened in a…

Just to add a non-problematic experience report to the mix: I've been using 6.10 for months on two AMD machines with different hardware (one with a 7840U and one with a 5700XT) without any issues whatsoever.

Re: Linux 6.11 Released

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Post by guerrilla »

squarefoot wrote: post #71
meiraleal wrote: post #52

When will be the year of GNU/Linux for smartphones? Android is not it. I wish we could install distros in a smartphone as easy as it is in desktop

Fighting against well known hardware on PCs is one thing, doing the same against mobile manufacturers because they refuse to release any documentation is a nightmare. Linux will have a hard time becoming a reality in the mobile world because of hardware manufacturers hostility, not for any of its faults. Pine64 had to design the PinePhone platform from scratch for this exact reason, still they encountered so many blo…

Maybe FairPhone can do it eventually.

Re: Linux 6.11 Released

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Post by PKop »

TomK32 wrote: post #26
homebrewer wrote: post #7

6.10 (TEN, the previous one) has been a very problematic release for me, with one desktop running into four major bugs in total: three separate amdgpu bugs resulting in video corruption, hangs and crashes, and now that I'm on 6.10.10 and those seem to be fixed, the system intermittently refuses to come up from sleep mode. Anyone else having similar experience? This is the first time something like that happened in a…

Is that just AMD? On my thinkpad X270 playing videos in Firefox is just a mess. All sorts of problems while Chromium is just fine. It's also fine on a copy of my system that I run on a thinkcentre tiny.

Chromium doesn't support hardware decoded video though right? While Firefox does, so you're killing your battery life with extra cpu cycles.
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