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Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Seems like every 48-72 hours now Microsoft announces yet another extremely compelling reason to abandon their platform for Linux.

Which do you think is the bigger risk to ordinary users? - someone hacks into Microsoft and accesses their files from onedrive (for passwords/blackmail-info I guess?) - Microsoft looks at their files in onedrive and does something bad (not sure what) - someone hacks into their computer and accesses their files. Or someone does so by causing the user to download something bad - the user’s ssd fails or is corrupted bec…

What you say is true. And what you say completely misses the point.

The problem isn't that cloud sync/backup is (or isn't) useful. It's that Microsoft isn't respecting users' agency to adopt it or not. If the product is indeed useful on its merits, then there's no need to turn it on by default or continually nag users who say "no thanks." And it's not like Microsoft doesn't have a history of underhanded moves to capture users into its ecosystem; see what happens when you search for Chrome or Firefox in Edge https://www.theverge.com/23935029/microsoft-edge-forced-wind...

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Sadly I think the enthusiasm with which the market embraced this behaviour in mobile, console and IoT makes it legally difficult for Microsoft to be punished. How can you penalise Microsoft for pushing OneDrive by default but not penalise Apple for iCloud? Should multiple backup providers be suggested at startup for economic fairness? Or should backups be disabled by default (potentially annoying consumers of mobile…

iCloud Drive, and actually the entire iCloud ecosystem is opt-in

Yes, but the question is how they implemented it. Are there dark patterns, is it all-or-nothing, etc.?

Also, with iCloud being at the heart of Apple's ecosystem, a simple bug may very well cause accidental sharing of sensitive data. Even if that never happens, it does not make me sleep better.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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I was pretty blown away by how simple and straightforward the experience was for me recently on Debian 12. * Go to app store (flatpak) and install Steam * Launch and login to Steam * Install Helldivers 2 * Launch the game. Done! Everything "just works"

Even games with EAC and Battleye ("anti cheats") work well. That was pretty surprising.

YMMV there depending on the specific game, both of those anti-cheats can work on Linux but the developer of the game has to opt-in to allow it since their Linux implementations are much easier to bypass than their Windows ones. There's games like Rust which use EAC but have refused to enable its Linux support for that reason.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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You can still use it offline without an account just fine with Pro SKUs and up.

Not by saying "no" you can't. You have to fuck around with shift+F10 and oobe stuff. This was tested on 23H2 yesterday.

Yes, you can. I just now downloaded a win11 23H2 iso and installed w11 pro without going outside of the OOBE. Sure, you shouldn't have to click 'domain join instead' etc, but you can absolutely do it without doing anything outside of the OOBE.

Here are the exact steps I used: https://pastebin.com/nDnLBYg2

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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You can still use it offline without an account just fine with Pro SKUs and up.

Installed Windows 11 Pro, had to do some CLI dickery to get the option for local only account.

here are the steps I just used a few minutes ago to use a local account. You can do it without leaving the OOBE, but you shouldn't have to go through so many steps to do it.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40781798

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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post #91

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Sadly I think the enthusiasm with which the market embraced this behaviour in mobile, console and IoT makes it legally difficult for Microsoft to be punished. How can you penalise Microsoft for pushing OneDrive by default but not penalise Apple for iCloud? Should multiple backup providers be suggested at startup for economic fairness? Or should backups be disabled by default (potentially annoying consumers of mobile…

iCloud Drive, and actually the entire iCloud ecosystem is opt-in

It also doesn’t nag if you decide not to use it.

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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This happened to me. I was wondering why my internet speeds were slow when I discovered that Microsoft was in the process of uploading my users directory, they had already uploaded almost two gigs when I realized. They also changed the path to these directories to something like C:\Users\name\OneDrive\Desktop\. Another poster in this thread claimed it's easy to reverse -- I disagree, it's a pain in the ass to track d…

I almost wonder if this is by design. I genuinely had people look at me funny when I described relatively minor issues that eventually made me jump from Windows ( in my case I think it was dropping detailed descriptions from updates in Windows 7 ). I kept explaining that even the issues are not the actual issue. The issue is that I am unable to administer my machine as I see fit. I am not anti-tech, I tell people, but the tech has to work for me...

Re: Windows 11 is now enabling OneDrive folder backup without asking permission

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Why is Win11 such a pain though? I don't get it. You had Win10 that worked just fine and they went on and fucked it up to what gain? Did they manage to sell more of other products in their lineup? And you do all that when Apple has its own silicon and produces superb laptops that could lure a lot of people in their ecosystem. I understand that Windows isn't the cash cow it used to be, they've moved to greener pasture…

The data they collect for the AI and the advertising opportunities enable more profits and more revenue to keep infinite growth happening. Even with Azure, even with Github and everything else. If you're not using all the profit opportunities, you are not delivering enough. The economic system doesn't reward or demand stable profits or sustainable growth, it demands compound growth.

This, exactly. Things will only continue to get more shitty as long as the expectation, and often requirement, for businesses with investors is to make infinite money, forever.
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