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Small claims court became Meta's customer service hotline

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Re: Small claims court became Meta's customer service hotline

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The best way to do business is with FB is, sadly, through various overseas spam companies. They get results, the prices are reasonable, and you never have to worry about having an ad account being banned because they'll just make more for you. If you try to do it any sort of legit way, and you aren't spending $100k/mo, FB simply does not want to talk to you and does not care. You'll likely get banned for some sort of…

Strange world indeed

Re: Small claims court became Meta's customer service hotline

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post #23

Small claims court does get a company's attention. They either have to show up or lose. Not that showing up means a win. I'm surprised that someone had trouble serving a subpoena on Facebook. Looking up "Meta" in California Corporation Search brings up everything with "Metal" in it, which is a hassle. Their actual company name is "Meta Platforms, Incorporated". Search for "Meta Platforms" here.[1] California company…

To me this appears as a way to outsource customer service to an external entity funded by a cash flow to which Meta does not need to contribute. The courts are always going to exist, Meta is always paying its lawyers, so why bother hiring extra people to staff a support line? And by making support have to go through the legal system you've already cut out 90% of the support calls you would normally take. Financially,…

At some point the courts might start complaining to the legislatures and the congress. Or they might start adding punitive damages to their rulings.

Re: Small claims court became Meta's customer service hotline

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post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why isn't Meta getting hit with punitive damages for this crap? If Meta needed to cough up a million dollars to the state of California every time they lost one of these, they'd set up a proper customer service line tout suite. I know that small claims is limited in what it can award to the plaintiff. However, I don't think that applies to punitive damages against the defendant.

My personal take is that state has to mandate that systemic companies (>100M users or X $B in revenues) have to have high quality customer service at cost. It probably cost Meta $500-$2000 to adjucate hacked account case so it's unreasonable to ask company to do it for free (hackers/bots can also file those requests). I should be able to pay Meta $2000 to recover account if my business depends on it - even if it mean…

I don't actually think it's unreasonable. Meta probably earns $2,000 in a span of a few seconds. They can afford to provide users with basic services such as account recovery, that allow users to use the services under the terms that were agreed upon when the user's account was created.

Re: Small claims court became Meta's customer service hotline

#115

The idea that customer service can be 'automated away' is dangerous, and has been proven wrong again and again. And soon, LLMs will be used to attempt to solve this problem again, and they will fail again. It is easy to look at the historical information in a ticketing system and make the conclusion that the vast majority of the issues can be solved by pointing the user to frequently-encountered solutions. However, t…

Agreed - I've almost never called [Insert Service Provider Here] and had one of their automated responses be helpful in any meaningful way. I'm calling because I have what seems like an exception to deal with. I learned pretty quickly as a young man that the fastest way to get my problems solved was to hit 0 on my phone as many times as it took to get that sweet, sweet "Okay, I'll transfer you to a live representativ…

Same here, but now it seems no-one implements 0 in automated phone systems anymore!

Re: Small claims court became Meta's customer service hotline

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post #102
post #23

Small claims court does get a company's attention. They either have to show up or lose. Not that showing up means a win. I'm surprised that someone had trouble serving a subpoena on Facebook. Looking up "Meta" in California Corporation Search brings up everything with "Metal" in it, which is a hassle. Their actual company name is "Meta Platforms, Incorporated". Search for "Meta Platforms" here.[1] California company…

Why isn't Meta getting hit with punitive damages for this crap? If Meta needed to cough up a million dollars to the state of California every time they lost one of these, they'd set up a proper customer service line tout suite. I know that small claims is limited in what it can award to the plaintiff. However, I don't think that applies to punitive damages against the defendant.

Has anyone who took them to court included an affidavit pointing to the thousands of previous instances as evidence of a pattern of negligence or whatever, and asked for punitive dates to be awarded?

Re: Small claims court became Meta's customer service hotline

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post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why isn't Meta getting hit with punitive damages for this crap? If Meta needed to cough up a million dollars to the state of California every time they lost one of these, they'd set up a proper customer service line tout suite. I know that small claims is limited in what it can award to the plaintiff. However, I don't think that applies to punitive damages against the defendant.

Has anyone who took them to court included an affidavit pointing to the thousands of previous instances as evidence of a pattern of negligence or whatever, and asked for punitive dates to be awarded?

That might not be good for any individual case. The reason it works is because each individual claim is "not worth it" to Facebook to fight. Once you're the one asking for punitive damages, suddenly you'll get a lot more resources resisting your case.

Re: Small claims court became Meta's customer service hotline

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me this appears as a way to outsource customer service to an external entity funded by a cash flow to which Meta does not need to contribute. The courts are always going to exist, Meta is always paying its lawyers, so why bother hiring extra people to staff a support line? And by making support have to go through the legal system you've already cut out 90% of the support calls you would normally take. Financially,…

> overwhelming the publicly funded small claims court I'm guessing there's no court fees that the losing party has to pay? It would seem fair to tell the troublemaker to pay for the judge's and other court employees hours...

At least my state requires the losing party to pay court costs. Let me guess that big companies simply don't pay.

Re: Small claims court became Meta's customer service hotline

#119

The idea that customer service can be 'automated away' is dangerous, and has been proven wrong again and again. And soon, LLMs will be used to attempt to solve this problem again, and they will fail again. It is easy to look at the historical information in a ticketing system and make the conclusion that the vast majority of the issues can be solved by pointing the user to frequently-encountered solutions. However, t…

This is why I don't use Google services anymore, they've all but removed their customer support. You can't get them on the phone for anything. If your problem is that you're locked out of your paid YouTube prime account, their advice is to contact customer service by logging into your account (I can't, that's the problem). If you want to cancel the subscription, the best advice the internet has is to close your bank/…

What you described is exactly what happened to my old Google DNS account. I had a credit card issue so they locked me out of my account, but when the issue was resolved on my end, kept charging my card. They told me the exact same thing, log into your account and contact customer service. Luckily, I did not use the domain anymore, or I would have had absolutely no way to maintain it. I ended up cancelling the card and getting a bunch of vaguely threatening emails about it.

They aren't this incompetent, I am convinced it is malicious.

Re: Small claims court became Meta's customer service hotline

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post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why I don't use Google services anymore, they've all but removed their customer support. You can't get them on the phone for anything. If your problem is that you're locked out of your paid YouTube prime account, their advice is to contact customer service by logging into your account (I can't, that's the problem). If you want to cancel the subscription, the best advice the internet has is to close your bank/…

Same. AWS support will literally log into your ubuntu server (not even an official AWS AMI) and debug your problem for you if you ask for it, that's how dedicated their support is. No idea how google cloud platform support operates, but I have my doubts they're as reliable.

I've seen cases where an AWS support bill was basically serving as a part time engineer for a small team. They really are very, very good, especially enterprise support plans. This alone and what I've experienced from Google support means I would never take my business into google's cloud. No shot. AWS seems to understand pretty well their customers and their needs and it is a competitive advantage.
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