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The Denmark secret: how it became the most trusting country

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Re: The Denmark secret: how it became the most trusting country

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Post by slekker »

shiftright wrote: post #104
slekker wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry but where are you finding these jobs outside of MAANG?

scale-ups, some well funded startups, big companies for some roles if you add up bonus, pension, other benefits. Not too many options tbh, and you need a bit of luck, but there are some. It's hard to figure out from the job description so you usually need to do a bit of digging. To keep in mind as well is that in Denmark the vast majority of jobs are not advertised. I know it happens everywhere but I never experience…

When you say not advertised do you mean not even posted on LinkedIn and you have to go through the company's website yourself?

Re: The Denmark secret: how it became the most trusting country

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Post by dkek »

slekker wrote: post #111
shiftright wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

scale-ups, some well funded startups, big companies for some roles if you add up bonus, pension, other benefits. Not too many options tbh, and you need a bit of luck, but there are some. It's hard to figure out from the job description so you usually need to do a bit of digging. To keep in mind as well is that in Denmark the vast majority of jobs are not advertised. I know it happens everywhere but I never experience…

When you say not advertised do you mean not even posted on LinkedIn and you have to go through the company's website yourself?

Not anywhere. Or if it is it's just for show.

People would just bring their friends in, or give them contracts as freelancers. In one instance the us office got involved and stopped it. I've been in a few "mock" interviews.

They call it trust in Denmark, I call it nepotism.

Re: The Denmark secret: how it became the most trusting country

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Post by tharmas »

admissionsguy wrote: post #34
throwaway22032 wrote: post #9

The common factor in all high trust societies seems to be that they are culturally homogenous.

It cannot by homogeneity by itself. Poland, my home country, is homogeneous, but in a shitty way.

So are a lot of African countries.

It's culture.

Scandinavian cultures consistently rank the best.

Re: The Denmark secret: how it became the most trusting country

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Post by tharmas »

incomingpain wrote: post #39

I've heard this a few times before. Admittedly I'm not that familiar with Denmark. Lets check out the livability. GDP is okish; has signs of foreign influence or some sort of financial crisis. 2.5% unemployment is fantastic. 75% participation and steadily climbing, elderly going back to work? https://www.populationpyramid.net/denmark/2020/ Wow, only 5 million people? Toronto has more people. Though yes elderly going…

People like to mention the lower income taxes for higher income brackets in the USA but in some places there you pay a lot of property tax. If you make a nice salary you probably have a nice house, and in some places you'll pay a lot of property tax, especially if you live in a location that is popular like Miami. https://www.tax-rates.org/florida/miami-dade_county_property...

https://www.tax-rates.org/taxtables/property-tax-by-state

Re: The Denmark secret: how it became the most trusting country

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Post by throwaway22032 »

Jensson wrote: post #110
throwaway22032 wrote: post #97

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I consider them both to be fairly interchangeable in this context, it's obvious that crime isn't linked to whether someone prefers croissants or bratwurst.

So by "homogeneous" you don't really mean homogeneous, you mean upstanding people who don't commit a lot of crime or problems? Eastern Europe is much more homogeneous than western Europe, there is also more crime and problems there, so I don't see a strong link between the two at all.

I think it's both. If you have two communities that believe they are acting in an upstanding manner, but both have different values, then neither trusts the other.

I do also think though that some cultures, religions etc have "better" moral standards.

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Post by vertis »

vertis wrote: post #55
incomingpain wrote: post #39

I've heard this a few times before. Admittedly I'm not that familiar with Denmark. Lets check out the livability. GDP is okish; has signs of foreign influence or some sort of financial crisis. 2.5% unemployment is fantastic. 75% participation and steadily climbing, elderly going back to work? https://www.populationpyramid.net/denmark/2020/ Wow, only 5 million people? Toronto has more people. Though yes elderly going…

Most of Europe has similar taxation. They get a lot for their money though. Public transport and health. I would live in Denmark in a heartbeat, have visited so many times as a digital nomad. But I'd have to go work for a tech company there or convince them that whatever startup I want to have a go at next is enough to be accepted by the startup visa (complicated). If anyone from Denmark or Sweden (which I love as we…

Note: I've left it too late to edit the above, but I probably shouldn't have suggested contacting me. I would LOVE to live in Denmark or Sweden, but it probably wouldn't be possible this year (due to commitments I've made to customers).

Re: The Denmark secret: how it became the most trusting country

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Post by CyberDildonics »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #63
snowpid wrote: post #47

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Home schooling is linked to religious extremism

If one was affected by the 80’s news cycle, it will seem that way in one’s head.

Why does one think only one's news cycle from one's 80s leads one to think one will associate one's homeschooling with one's religious extremism?

Re: The Denmark secret: how it became the most trusting country

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Post by kreyenborgi »

monssooon wrote: post #105

Dane here: Left Denmark (DK) though. It is true that social security in DK is world best. And salaries are high compared to EU standards. Also that leaving babys on the street is probably safe. However the article seems to paint a rather rosy picture. DK has a dark side that no one talks about like "Jante Law", extremely feminine values (good if you like that - very bad if you dont), exclusive culture, very bad clima…

The Law of Jante seems to have less effect now than when I grew up. People are much more encouraging of entrepreneurs in my little home town, and cheering each other on. Of course, there's still pockets of discouragement, and it's worse in small towns than big cities.

Re: The Denmark secret: how it became the most trusting country

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Post by yetanother12345 »

rayiner wrote: post #54
yau8edq12i wrote: post #36

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It's funny how little time it takes to go from "cultural" to "ethnic". Say what you think instead of using whistles: you think that Denmark conforms to your racially focused worldview, that it's "pure", or whatever. Am I correct? Funnily enough, Denmark is a few places below France in "ethnic fractionalization", yet somehow, racists worldwide insist that France has become a shithole because of immigration.

It’s not a “whistle.” Culture is virtually co-extensive with ethnicity in most places in the world. I come from a country whose name literally just translates into “country of $ethnic_group.” To the point where the largest country in the world, China, has lumped myriad different populations into the ethnic grouping of “Han Chinese” to cultivate cultural uniformity.

> a country whose name literally just translates into “country of $ethnic_group.”

FYI, this is the case with Denmark as well (as long as you permit Dane to be an ethnic group)

Re: The Denmark secret: how it became the most trusting country

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Post by yetanother12345 »

There's a thin line between trusting and gullible, and the difference may be hard to perceive for outsiders.

Trusting and gullible alike also means easily exploitable, especially when coupled with hospitality which (believe it or not!) is, or at least was, a core value in DK. This whole line of reasoning has been very visible for the average Dane throughout the past 3-4 decades, as non-Danes have aquired larger shares of the general residency.

The general rule of "When in Rome, do as the Romans do" has not really been observed at all by a significant fraction of those visiting or relocating to the country. And the Danes do notice that, although a fraction of the populace choose to wear the rosy-coloured glasses at all costs because principle, culture, tradition (culture matters a lot in DK, the culture is fairly conservative even though most Danes will deny that they themselves are).

The "trust" that non-Danish media likes to herald now is just a shadow of what it was, and it is steadily albeit slowly on the decline - especially in Dane-foreigner relationships IMHO.

If you dislike the facts, feel free to dismiss this as anecdata.

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