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Re: NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties to Juul

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Post by zeroonetwothree »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #71
VyseofArcadia wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've thankfully never had to quit cigarettes or heroin, but in my experience quitting coffee is awful . 3-5 days of migraine-level headaches and nausea. And the whole time you're thinking, "all this could go away with just one little cup of coffee, which all the studies say has health benefits even. Just one little cup"

Why quit coffee if it has health benefits?

You could drink decaf I suppose. I’m skeptical of the alleged health benefits from coffee but at least it’s unlikely they come from caffeine itself.

Re: NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties to Juul

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Post by zeroonetwothree »

VyseofArcadia wrote: post #62
gwbas1c wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nicotine is one of the most addictive substances known to man. Quitting cigarettes is about as hard as quitting heroin. In contrast, quitting coffee is much, much easier. On a more personal note, when "The King's Speech" was in theaters I kept watching people smoke cigarettes on screen, and went out and bought some Drum. (Loose tobacco that comes with rolling papers.) Within a few days I started getting a voice in my…

I've thankfully never had to quit cigarettes or heroin, but in my experience quitting coffee is awful . 3-5 days of migraine-level headaches and nausea. And the whole time you're thinking, "all this could go away with just one little cup of coffee, which all the studies say has health benefits even. Just one little cup"

It was very hard for me to quit caffeine for this reason too. Eventually I succeeded by tapering very carefully over 3 months. This allowed me to avoid all withdrawal symptoms.

Re: NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties to Juul

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Post by LeifCarrotson »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #46
rayiner wrote: post #32

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We socialized people to realize smoking is dirty, then went ahead and legalized marijuana so now kids who would never have smoked cigarettes are filling their lungs with tar: https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/14/health/marijuana-smoke-wellne... . At least cigarettes made people skinny and hot.

> At least cigarettes made people skinny and hot. Until you lean in for a kiss, or even a hug.

It doesn't take a kiss or hug, I have a visceral reaction to just talking to or walking by someone who stinks of cigarette smoke, it's disgusting to me. I'll still assert that all people are innately deserving of compassion and respect, but it takes effort and a choice when I smell that.

As a father, an uncle, and a dog owner who has changed a lot of diapers and cleaned up a lot of poop (at ~10 years x 365 days x 1-10 events/day x ~1 lbs/event, probably a literal ton of shit) and been numbed to the smell, I'd literally prefer to smell feces in your adult Depends than cigarette smoke on your breath. It's not "hot" at all, completely the opposite.

Re: NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties to Juul

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Post by sevagh »

jjice wrote: post #87

I'm blown away by how vaping took over. I was a senior in high school once Juul started to get popular. We'd joke about our peers that willingly took on an addiction when our generation was mostly in the clear from being addicted to cigarettes. Then some of my friends who'd joke about it started vaping. I don't even know how they started, but they did. Let me be clear - it's not nearly as annoying or destructive for…

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Post by lifestyleguru »

Until today it blows my mind that western culture managed to virtually ban smoking in closed and indoor spaces. With unbelievable bribes and lobbying by tobacco companies. Watch any movie, music clip produced until 2010 - EVERYONE SMOKES, it additionally exploits the fact that video doesn't transmit smell.

Re: NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties to Juul

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Post by kurthr »

remram wrote: post #114

In what capacity did those professors push Juul? In the classroom? Scientific papers? Lobbying?

From the article:

   Abrams, a frequent commentator about vaping in the news media, including CBS 
   This Morning, CNN, and The New Yorker, coordinated extensively with Juul on 
   public messaging in 2017 and 2018, according to company emails. Abrams asked 
   Juul officials for talking points, allowed company executives to review an 
   academic article prior to publishing, and attended Juul scientific advisory 
   board meetings, all without disclosing those connections to journal 
   publishers...

Re: NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties to Juul

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Post by redserk »

itsoktocry wrote: post #92
lenerdenator wrote: post #49

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The problem came from the fact that sporadic smoking didn't serve the profits of tobacco companies in the way they would have liked. The shoving of high-fructose corn syrup and other calorie-rich ingredients into everything sold in the US to increase consumption (again, for profits) has a much greater impact on weight management, though.

> The shoving of high-fructose corn syrup and other calorie-rich ingredients into everything sold in the US to increase consumption (again, for profits) Do you have any evidence of this conspiracy? Perhaps it's just food producers adding an abundant, cheap sweetener to their crap because that's what the market demands? Read the ingredients and buy or don't buy. People need to have a bit of personal accountability in…

Where are you finding many options in products without HFCS or additives?

Even the much-higher-end supermarkets near me don't have meaningful alternatives for a lot of products where I am, and I'm in a HCOL area.

Re: NYU professors who defended vaping didn't disclose ties to Juul

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Post by ThinkingGuy »

VyseofArcadia wrote: post #62
gwbas1c wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nicotine is one of the most addictive substances known to man. Quitting cigarettes is about as hard as quitting heroin. In contrast, quitting coffee is much, much easier. On a more personal note, when "The King's Speech" was in theaters I kept watching people smoke cigarettes on screen, and went out and bought some Drum. (Loose tobacco that comes with rolling papers.) Within a few days I started getting a voice in my…

I've thankfully never had to quit cigarettes or heroin, but in my experience quitting coffee is awful . 3-5 days of migraine-level headaches and nausea. And the whole time you're thinking, "all this could go away with just one little cup of coffee, which all the studies say has health benefits even. Just one little cup"

I've known 2 people who were previously addicted to heroin but had been able to quit. Both of them were still dependent on nicotine.
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