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Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by Kiro »

qzx_pierri wrote: post #22

Spotify has financial incentive to obfuscate their UI to tilt people toward mindlessly consuming playlists. This is because labels pay Spotify to put certain songs on large playlists, and Spotify knows playlists are a good habit to push onto their users. Radio was used to discover new music decades ago, but paying a radio station (directly) to play a song is illegal (payola), so DJs had to break new songs, styles, an…

> This is because labels pay Spotify to put certain songs on large playlists

Source? This is what Spotify says about it themselves:

"We want to make something crystal clear: no one can pay to be added to one of Spotify’s editorial playlists."

https://community.spotify.com/t5/FAQs/How-to-get-your-music-...

Sure, they could be lying but then all the labels and their employees would need to be in on the lie as well.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by tayo42 »

Why's the writer listening to james blunt still, that your beautiful song sucked when it came out too lol

I used to be really into music, writing, releasing, curating everything. But yeah around my 30s idk, i lost interest i guess like any other hobby. I listen to podcasts now when I drive. In my 20s finding music was like hard work. I went through a lot music all the time.

One thing I think is interesting is older music seems to be sticking around more. Like maybe in the 60s and on more timeless music was written? like in 2000, Idk anyone that listened to 40s or really 50s music, music that would be 50-60 years old at the time. But in the 2020s, 1960s, 70s, 80s music is still around. I think still has a lot of cultural relevancy. Or maybe the kids today don't care about the beatles or jimi hendrix? I find that hard to believe though. In 20 more years are we going to say Queen and ACDC sucked and never listen to it again?

What do rebelious kids and angsty teens listen to now? Who are the red hot chili peppers, and weezers and blink182s right now.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by logtempo »

_yb2s wrote: post #90

As a teenager it really bothered me that adults seemed to have lost the ability to appreciate good music simply because it was new- I vowed to make a point of regularly trying new music with an open mind as I grew older, and not to grow up like that. My own parents who loved good music when they were younger, and whose music tastes I could appreciate well, literally heard my music as basically random noise, and could…

I think the same. And tbh, if music variations are finite, I'm quite sure it's big enough to fill my entire life with new song, sounds, arrangement, voices, lyrics...Also music is not only sound, but also performances.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by onion2k »

qzx_pierri wrote: post #22

Spotify has financial incentive to obfuscate their UI to tilt people toward mindlessly consuming playlists. This is because labels pay Spotify to put certain songs on large playlists, and Spotify knows playlists are a good habit to push onto their users. Radio was used to discover new music decades ago, but paying a radio station (directly) to play a song is illegal (payola), so DJs had to break new songs, styles, an…

mindlessly

Or mindfully.

You have no idea why people choose what they listen to, and suggesting they're doing it without thinking is just your snobbery showing.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by _yb2s »

havblue wrote: post #32

It doesn't seem like the article makes much of a distinction between newly released music and music that you haven't listened to yet. Personally, as I get older I've lost the ability to listen to the same Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd etc albums for the 100th time. I cringe every time I hear the opening of Don't Stop Believing. So I've kept trying to get deeper into prog and other genres lately as I'm just burnt out on th…

To me it depends a lot on the music... if it's more complex, or has more emotional depth I can usually continue to enjoy it almost indefinitely and get something new out of it each time.

I'm sad to admit Led Zeppelin has lost some of it's charm after many listening, which makes me sad because I enjoyed it so much in the past. I've found a lot of Pink Floyd stuff is complex enough that I'm still enjoying it and noticing new things after many decades of listening to it. Watching videos of Floyd playing live also opened up a whole new appreciation for the music.

Lots of the music I enjoyed as a kid/teenager had themes I can only now understand in my late 30s, and didn't really appreciate or fully grasp back then.

Overall, a lot of prog really seems to have enough complexity to remain interesting for a long time. Most of Tools albums, I seem to not enjoy much at first, but enjoy more, and notice more things each time I listen, even after hundreds of listens.

The same music that is complex enough to remain interesting over time, usually doesn't compress well and is really damaged as a low bitrate MP3. I've found those same albums I listen to most year after year are the ones I sought out lossless versions of.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by zer00eyz »

noah_buddy wrote: post #91
zer00eyz wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> labels pay Spotify to put certain songs on large playlists What are you talking about. IM going to need you to back this one up with some proof. 1. The labels have a giant back catalog that remains popular. It does not need promotion. Huge long tail profits there. 2. The labels dont have a lot to sell any more. The big artists tend to get out of the system (and make money on tours) and small artists get nothing. A…

Anecdotal, but I was close friends with someone who managed a niche (but popular) artist’s social media and streaming service presence. We discussed this fact and this person mentioned it could be $10k+ to be on some playlists 1st song spot for just a few days. I doubt it’s only Spotify official playlists.

Or, you know, Spotify lists suck because they dont want you consuming.

The optimal state for Netflix, Spotify, any other bandwidth intensive fixed price service is for you to PAY for it and NOT USE IT.

These services are optimized for maintaining subscription numbers, not your enjoyment.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by latentcall »

My old process (still the same) was going on RateYourMusic and looking at the user lists. If a list has a title that resonates with me I tend to find some really cool albums in there. I'll listen to a sample on YT and grab it on Soulseek, and if I really like the album I buy it on vinyl.

I used Spotify for 10 years or so and it never seemed good at recommending me music. Within the last two years I cancelled my subscription and have returned to the old ways.

The sad thing is, life is too short to hear all the amazing music out there!

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by TehCorwiz »

doublepg23 wrote: post #101
qzx_pierri wrote: post #22

Spotify has financial incentive to obfuscate their UI to tilt people toward mindlessly consuming playlists. This is because labels pay Spotify to put certain songs on large playlists, and Spotify knows playlists are a good habit to push onto their users. Radio was used to discover new music decades ago, but paying a radio station (directly) to play a song is illegal (payola), so DJs had to break new songs, styles, an…

> so DJs had to break new songs, styles, and have a wide array of music offered (within the theme of the station). I'm an older Zoomer and this was never the case for radio in my lifetime [1]. I heard "college radio stations" being a bastion of this but I've never listened to one myself. One of the earliest internet services I remember loving was Pandora because it recommended me artists I never heard on the radio an…

Late Gen-X/Early Millennial here; there was a time before the consolidation of radio stations and invasion of iHeartMedia (at the time named Clear Channel) where DJs had the final word in what got played and most were quite good at introducing new music. Here's my experience form the outside of the industry: once consolidation started there was a push to use canned (pre-recorded) intros, outros, and interstitial announcements to reduce costs. Stations often kept some talk shows, but few kept real DJs. This let stations use a small number of voice actors for a large number of stations. Combined with centrally controlled playlists they were able to push the costs down and increase profits to the point that older style stations with bespoke DJs couldn't compete financially and either adopted the same model or they sold out.

EDIT: I may be misremembering, but there used to be a limit on how many stations a company could own in a given market.

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by meowtimemania »

office_drone wrote: post #18

> This study identifies 33 as the tipping point for sonic stagnation, an age where artistic taste calcifies, increasingly deviating from contemporary works In the time since I turned 33 I've experienced an almost-complete switchover in genre preference, from pop/rock/light metal to country. Almost all of it has been found through Spotify's Daily Mix N, where n >= 2.

Are spotify daily mixes ordered in some way?

Re: When do we stop finding new music?

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Post by _yb2s »

logtempo wrote: post #113
_yb2s wrote: post #90

As a teenager it really bothered me that adults seemed to have lost the ability to appreciate good music simply because it was new- I vowed to make a point of regularly trying new music with an open mind as I grew older, and not to grow up like that. My own parents who loved good music when they were younger, and whose music tastes I could appreciate well, literally heard my music as basically random noise, and could…

I think the same. And tbh, if music variations are finite, I'm quite sure it's big enough to fill my entire life with new song, sounds, arrangement, voices, lyrics...Also music is not only sound, but also performances.

Completely agree on performances... I've had a renewed appreciation for a lot of music after seeing it performed live (even on video), and/or hearing live album versions.
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