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Re: Zoho is attracting the attention of African startup founders

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

56% of Apple's revenue is from outside the US. 38% of Boeing's revenue is from outside the US. 58% of Caterpillar's revenue is from outside the US. (Those are the first three companies I checked.) If American companies took the attitude "America #1, we don't need foreign customers," I don't think you would like the impact the resulting revenue loss would have on the American economy.

> on the American economy looks upward for the trickling down implied here

Add up the employees those companies employ in America and multiply that by their respective proportion of foreign revenue. That's the trickle-down.

Re: Zoho is attracting the attention of African startup founders

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> Zoho started allowing African companies to pay for its software in local currencies. This decision has been a major reason for Zoho’s success in Africa as it allowed customers and potential clients to avoid regulatory hurdles around dollar spending > Zoho has also been aggressive with its pricing in Africa. Zoho One, a bundle of more than 45 products This is a major reason why Western products aren't landing as wel…

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Re: Zoho is attracting the attention of African startup founders

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing is that with India - for example - it is a relatively cheap market and those can afford expensive stuff, but western stuff anyway. Also regarding visa - well there are more indians in the visa queue than probably multiple countries combined. If they make it as fast as other countries - indians will just move in millions and millions simply due to sheer amount of people they have.

> those can afford expensive stuff, but western stuff anyway Western, sure. American, not really. There's a reason American brands like Harley-Davidson and Ford quit India, but Western (NATO+) brands like Toyota and Hyundai thrive in India, and Indian conglomerates like Tata acquired prestige western brands like Jaguar Land Rover. Same thing with China and the acquisition of MG, Volvo, Lotus, etc. > Also regarding vi…

> It was immigrants or the children of immigrants like Oppenheimer, Lawrence, Fermi, von Neumann, etc that ushered the Atomic and Information Age, and it was immigrants like Hinton, le Cunn, Bengio, etc that ushered in the current ML revolution.

You’re not wrong, but America won’t accept it. The middle class has been gutted, and everyone is scrambling over the ruins of it to try to land in the upper class instead of the lower.

People perceive those immigrants as “taking a spot” in the upper class, as if there were a deity determining how many rich people we can have at some inflexible level.

I think people pervasively underestimate the value of education, in literal dollar terms. The US spends a crazy amount just getting someone through high school, much less college and a PhD. I would be pretty okay with a visa process for anyone that has a PhD from a reputable institution (where reputable only means “not a degree farm”).

Having someone with a PhD immigrate here is like their government donating a half million dollars to the US in the form of paying for the immigrants education instead of us. Their home country bears the costs, we reap the benefits. I don’t even really care if they speak English; they’ll learn, or use a translate app, or marry someone that can translate or whatever. They got a PhD, I’m sure they’ll figure it out.

The only real risk is crashing wages, but in a globalized labor market I don’t know if immigration is even relevant. Even if wages did crash, that might be a good thing if the crash wasn’t permanent. Cheap research sounds like the kind of thing that might drive us into new technologies.

Re: Zoho is attracting the attention of African startup founders

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Ok, but can Zoho offer things like HIPPA compliance or “EU only” hosting and services for data protection? Kudos to businesses who can make use of this Zoho in a safe way but one would hate to expose one’s users to a company based in some strange dictatorship of a country.

> but one would hate to expose one’s users to a company based in some strange dictatorship of a country.

And how much would one hate to expose said data to this?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/16/house-fisa-g...

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/20/us/politics/senate-passes...

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/12/us/politics/surveillance-...

https://www.npr.org/2024/04/20/1246076114/senate-passes-reau...

Re: Zoho is attracting the attention of African startup founders

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do what exactly? it doesn't seem like these African startups are choosing it because of some regulation based on "political will". they're choosing Zoho because it's cheaper and they can use their currency. if they were richer and Google supported their currency (like most EU startups) they would probably choose Google.

Re: Zoho is attracting the attention of African startup founders

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You say it takes political will, but this isn’t a political decision by African companies. The first three bullet points tell you what’s going on pretty well: African companies are choosing to use a more affordable competitor that they can use local currencies to pay for even though the product isn’t quite as good (per the article, I have no horse in this race myself) and doesn’t have the same level of developer community support. It’s an affordability tradeoff, which is valid, but fundamentally it didn’t take any crap like the political will to do it, just buying decisions at the corporate level.

And if you dig down, all you’re really getting is that Google and Microsoft are the established players but Zoho is making a nice business for itself at their expense with African startups.

Re: Zoho is attracting the attention of African startup founders

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Calm down. This is just a single (private - so no public data or real numbers - just what they claim) Indian company (unsupported by the Indian Govt in any way shape or form) doing a decent job. It has nothing to do with political will.
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